Premium Golden Head Crossback from Sing Arowanas

[islandguy11]

Avisek i bought this arowana from a friend.


Yes they do have an website where you can check the tagnr but when i did it came back with not finding any fish så i dont know hos legit their site is.

I wouldn't overly worry about it -- I had the same problem with checking my BBXB's cert (from Sianlon, one of Malaysia's first CITES registered Arowana farms which has been around since the early 70's). Basically I think some of the farms are kind of lazy about updating their data bases with the new numbers. After ~6 months it finally was in the database. But before that my Arowana dealer showed me the government import docs, which matched with my numbers. Also when I picked the fish out at his shop he also scanned its chip to show me it matched its cert #.

 

[Tobiassorensen]

I wouldn't overly worry about it -- I had the same problem with checking my BBXB's cert (from Sianlon, one of Malaysia's first CITES registered Arowana farms which has been around since the early 70's). Basically I think some of the farms are kind of lazy about updating their data bases with the new numbers. After ~6 months it finally was in the database. But before that my Arowana dealer showed me the government import docs, which matched with my numbers. Also when I picked the fish out at his shop he also scanned its chip to show me it matched its cert #.

Well yeah this fish has been in the country for more then a year now. I trust my friend so there is no doubt there i did just find it wierd that its not in their database

 

[Avisek Dasgupta]

Well yeah this fish has been in the country for more then a year now. I trust my friend so there is no doubt there i did just find it wierd that its not in their database

My fish's tag number is also not there in the Sing Arowana website. I speak to Jacklee Chinhan from Sing Arowana frequently and checked the tag number with him. He was able to confirm that the fish is legit and also the export date.

You might want to look him up on Facebook.

 

[Avisek Dasgupta]

Careful Avisek, Tobias is an internationally known Arowana certificate hacker! Just kidding

Tobias does Sing Arowana have a website where you can check the veracity of your cert & tag #?

Hahahahahah

I would like to learn that

 

[Tobiassorensen]

My fish's tag number is also not there in the Sing Arowana website. I speak to Jacklee Chinhan from Sing Arowana frequently and checked the tag number with him. He was able to confirm that the fish is legit and also the export date.

You might want to look him up on Facebook.

I did send the an email

 

[islandguy11]

Tobias said:
"Well yeah this fish has been in the country for more then a year now. I trust my friend so there is no doubt there i did just find it wierd that its not in their database."

Yeah so did I -- you'd think that given the price we pay for the fish, not to mention all the CITES/governmental rules that they'd be more serious about updating their databases, but apparently not (esp. as we both experienced it, and with different farms, as did Avisek).

 

[Avisek Dasgupta]

I did send the an email

Great!

Do share a video or pic of your 24k if possible.

 

[RD.]

For as long as I can recall, the guys who own Sing have practised 24/7 lighting. There was a time when they experimented with using brighter lights too. My understanding of the way the various farms use WTT is that each farm kind of has their own proprietary systems. There is a lot of overlap between them, but you will find differences too. Not all farms use 24/7.

The premium farms I deal with do not guarantee full helmet GH. The reason is that many customers either lack the skill or determination to keep up the WTT.

Since your fish comes from Sing, and since you want to keep the WTT and are prepared to follow the Sing practise, I think you have already answered your own question as to what you should do.

If you change the WTT process you are currently using, then in my opinion there is a very high chance your fish will lose some of its GH.

Here is a Sing Premium Full Helmet GH that was taken out of WTT when it was around 10-12 inches (that's my understanding). You will note it is at best 40-60% Gold Patches now, not full helmet. The fish is mature at about 20-22 inches size now. It is still a quality fish, but no longer a full helmet.

If I were you I would try and communicate with SING direct via FB and chat with them about your concerns.

Hey Theo, long time no see. I think that this was very good advice. I suspect that for many aro owners it's not a lack of determination or skill, more of one of getting sick of looking at an aro in a clinical looking WTT setting. I have always considered WTT to be mainly used as a marketing tool to sell fish at higher $$$ when they are young. Not one of deception as some feel, at least not as long as the person selling the fish makes it clear to the consumer what the possible end result can be, if one doesn't follow their protocol. Of course even if the fish loses some of it's crossing, or GH, or whatever, after growing a fish out to 22" it's not like the farm is going to be offering money back guarantees, and most hobbyists by then have grown attached to the fish anyway.

Interesting info about the farms in Singapore.

 

[islandguy11]

Hey Theo, long time no see. I think that this was very good advice. I suspect that for many aro owners it's not a lack of determination or skill, more of one of getting sick of looking at an aro in a clinical looking WTT setting. I have always considered WTT to be mainly used as a marketing tool to sell fish at higher $$$ when they are young. Not one of deception as some feel, at least not as long as the person selling the fish makes it clear to the consumer what the possible end result can be, if one doesn't follow their protocol. Of course even if the fish loses some of it's crossing, or GH, or whatever, after growing a fish out to 22" it's not like the farm is going to be offering money back guarantees, and most hobbyists by then have grown attached to the fish anyway.

Interesting info about the farms in Singapore.

Yeah besides wondering if the Arowana would be happier in a less bright environment, getting tired of the clinical look is what got to me too, esp. in a decent sized 7' tank.

 

[Avisek Dasgupta]

Yeah besides wondering if the Arowana would be happier in a less bright environment, getting tired of the clinical look is what got to me too, esp. in a decent sized 7' tank.

Very valid point regarding the "Clinical" look. Makes me wonder sometimes whether I should stop keeping arowana and start planted tanks. They look beautiful.