A ban on all rays, would anyone support it?

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tank125;2953425; said:
Marius - regarding my source, yes, it sucks, pm me a good Columbian source and I will use it. I can get rock solid Tigers out of Peru (don't know if they come from Columbia too?) and Peru motoros, but I have not found a good Columbian shipper.
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What for ...you want to ban all imports, so you wouldn't be of much use to you :popcorn:

Check with Pedro at www.aquascape.com, he had some good stock coming in, and if you buy "locally" you eliminated the bureaucratic BS and headaches, not to mention that you get acclimated rays already.
 
Originally Posted by RARE AFISHINADO
u do realize that 90 plus percent of the fish imported into the usa for the aquarium trade will die a premature death dont u???
Do tell, and then the retail stores make money on what ...dead corpses? I won't argue that there's people out there with no regards to the lives of their poor fish, but believe you me I give no business to those people. I go, see a problem, and I will tell them how to easily fix that. Big box stores maybe, idiotically know-it-all retailers maybe, but here's the thing SHOP AROUND, give them 5-6 months and they'll be out of business. If more people go into troubled retailer shops and get disgusted, don't buy, write a letter to the management, animal protection and close down the damn thing.

...but I still think your remark of 90% die off, is a little off, excuse me WAY OFF.


reread what I posted... premature death is what I said.... are you saying there is a difference is a fish dies in transit on the way to the usa or if the fish dies 3 months after import in the hobbiest tanks?
 
mmmmmmm its not just a case of them dieing or being killed in the wild for food

ITS THE WAY THEY DIE

rays that are imported often starve to death which for me is one of the worst ways to die

my normal rule is eat or die and so far i have never had a fish die from starvation but then i have never brought a ray with the dent or hip bones showing

the survival rate of wild caught rays is fairly bad and for that reason they should be band and stick with captive bred rays

yes we do need new blood but leave the wild caught rays to the breeders who have more experience with them

everyone says but what about all the wild rays that are killed as pests BUT they are killed out right not made to suffer for 1-3 months
 
I think another problem is the LFS are looking to make a profit that is how they survive so they are going to find the cheapest available to sell. I have stopped going to a couple of stores because you could tell that they used crappy suppliers (quality of live stock). If we demanded better quality we might get it. There is one LFS that will not sell a Ray of any kind with out a water sample and they want to know the size of tank it is going into. I have gotten all my rays there and they are very healthy. I think we could control some of the problem. It all comes down to supply and demand. Maybe not a ban but a boycott???
 
its not that easy unless the LFS has a good understanding of how to keep rays or they will be under fed

if you buy from a breeder then that bred has grown the pups from new Born's

much like a puppy/dog or cat if you want a better animal you go to a breeder not a pet store

how many dogs or cats are wild caught
 
T1KARMANN;2956081; said:
mmmmmmm its not just a case of them dieing or being killed in the wild for food

ITS THE WAY THEY DIE

rays that are imported often starve to death which for me is one of the worst ways to die

my normal rule is eat or die and so far i have never had a fish die from starvation but then i have never brought a ray with the dent or hip bones showing

the survival rate of wild caught rays is fairly bad and for that reason they should be band and stick with captive bred rays

yes we do need new blood but leave the wild caught rays to the breeders who have more experience with them

everyone says but what about all the wild rays that are killed as pests BUT they are killed out right not made to suffer for 1-3 months
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I did mention Richard that when you see a problem in the store pick up the damn phone and call animal control. Have that store pay a couple big fines and they'll stay away from bringing rays.

Yes breeder permits would be the best, but that will most likely happen in a decade or so, once CITES got them cataloged ...but I wonder what will happen in US, if they'll do the same as in the Asian arowana case.


T1KARMANN;2956209; said:
its not that easy unless the LFS has a good understanding of how to keep rays or they will be under fed

if you buy from a breeder then that bred has grown the pups from new Born's

much like a puppy/dog or cat if you want a better animal you go to a breeder not a pet store

how many dogs or cats are wild caught
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:popcorn: ...
 
you guys are seriously funny...animal control will not fine anyone because they have a ray that is dying or skinny....in court it would be thrown out....

all this talk of rays shouldnt be allowed to be sold in pet stores etc etc

how can u make a law saying stores arent allowed to carry rays because they dont know as much as u or some experts about their care

this will never happen and if it did u would all have to pass a test b4 being allowed to own a ray...
 
I think that an all out ban would be bad for rays. If you can't get them then you can't educate yourselves about them first hand. No education would eventually lead to no awareness. No awareness would eventually lead to pest status and then loss of habitat, and then extinction of probably the most specialized in the species first and then the rest. Soon only zoo's will have them and then not at all. The way of the Dodo, or certain species of Tigers,( Tasmanian anyone?) or even Unicorns..... Ok that last one was a joke, but you get what I mean.;)
 
Rays should only be available by breeder OR vendor only.
The fact that they would not be so readily available would make people do their research first before buying an animal that will potentially die from improper care. This is true for all animals but for rays it should be enforced. Live fish stores should NEVER have access to rays. A ban might be unrealistic, because if you were to ban rays you would have to ban alot of other things with them.

All in all people should do their research before buying an animal.
As far as shipping deaths and stress and all that. Again you would have to ban all fish from export for the cruelty factor as well.
 
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