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If you keep up on water quality I believe you'll be fine with the sens and the cteno as long as they cohabitate ok. Is it ideal? No, but in reality what is other then their native environment. All three of those fish are not super active. The sens are probably going to be the most active. Albino sens you'll be lucky to see 8" out of.
 
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Anything extremely low waste (really just to add some life) can work. The bichirs are a heavy presence on the tank.
Livebearers are more or less expendable, so not much a worry if they are eaten.
 
Anything extremely low waste (really just to add some life) can work. The bichirs are a heavy presence on the tank.
Livebearers are more or less expendable, so not much a worry if they are eaten.
Gotcha, will get few Molly/Platy/Swordtail when Im at the LFS and give the Leopard away. I will also get more sponge or hang on the back filters to help with water quality.
 
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If you keep up on water quality I believe you'll be fine with the sens and the cteno as long as they cohabitate ok. Is it ideal? No, but in reality what is other then their native environment. All three of those fish are not super active. The sens are probably going to be the most active. Albino sens you'll be lucky to see 8" out of.
Sure did ! I am truly sorry to cause such drama, I just hate people that abuse their animals and the thought of myself becoming one made me sick. I will rehome the Leopard and get something smaller with less bioload this Friday (reccomendations are always open). I will also get more sponge filters or a hang on the back.
 
I’m sorry neko1 neko1 but your wrong. A captive bred albino sen won’t get to big for a standard 40 breeder and neither will a Ctenopoma both are fairly stationary fish. Sens are very active bichirs but by no means an overly active fish. Do me a favour and find me a video of a 10”+albino sen if you can I owe you an apology. I have owned upper jaw bichirs and Ctenopomas and I’m not claiming to be an expert but if it’s just the two fish in the tank with ample filtration I don’t think there will be any problems. Sorry if this is harsh but I don’t much appreciate you calling my advice stupid ?
 
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Egemen Egemen if you like the Ctenopoma don’t get rid of it it’s rare that they get over 6” and anything over 8” is relatively unheard of so I would say you are safe. Neither are extremely messy eaters (in my experience the ctenopomas are pretty good about keeping all the food in their mouth) but both are medium sized fish that will poop so as long as water changes are done and filtration is adequate I would say you are fine.
 
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You're overthinking it. That mix should be okay. Just keep up on your water changes and adjust things as needed. If you believed everything and everyone online, somebody is bound to make the case that you need a 120 gallon for a small school of neon tetras to truly emulate nature.
 
I’m sorry neko1 neko1 but your wrong. A captive bred albino sen won’t get to big for a standard 40 breeder and neither will a Ctenopoma both are fairly stationary fish. Sens are very active bichirs but by no means an overly active fish. Do me a favour and find me a video of a 10”+albino sen if you can I owe you an apology. I have owned upper jaw bichirs and Ctenopomas and I’m not claiming to be an expert but if it’s just the two fish in the tank with ample filtration I don’t think there will be any problems. Sorry if this is harsh but I don’t much appreciate you calling my advice stupid ?
My hand is 9 inches long from tip of middle finger to base of palm. This albino senegal is easily 9.5-10 inches long.

However, I will admit it is very rare. Mine have been stuck at 6-7 inches for the past year and that was the only time ever saw one that big.
 
its not fine. its to small. But if you wane do something that isnt so good for an animal. then at least dont get to much. Thats what he /she is saying im guessing.

also dont wane be that guy but those fish you are naming both also get to big for a 80cm tank.
80cm is literally for a pair of convicts
or
a group of tetra's with some small fish.
Sorry my guy but the fish you want arent the fish you can home in that tank.
If you really want a big predator. Rehome everything and get a pao dragon puffer in that tank alone, they sleep the whole day and thats why it is possible to keep it in such a small tank relative to its size

never believe shops they just wane sell. check your info on good sites as seriouslyfish.
Doesn't sound like you are speaking from experience but more like you're just reading info off a website. I'm not saying sites like Seriouslyfish are unreliable but in real life, some of these fish can comfortably live in a tank slightly smaller than what is recommended. After all, it is a recommendation, not a strict rule or legislation. Of course, it can't be too small like a 10 gallon or something.
 
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Look I get it, I want to make these guys live a happy life but Before buying I already asked on both Reddit and here and was told that it was fine. Now you are coming up to me and saying its not. Who do I believe ? You are also telling me that a RB Shark and an Angelfish cant ve housed in it. How so ? People house Angel pairs in tanks as small as 29 gallons. Who the hell do I believe in this situation ? You ? The other guy ? The videos I watched from sites like Aquarium Co-op ? Not to mention me needing to explain to my parents that we need to REHOME FISH AGAIN, which is what we just did. Also yes, I have a special place in my heart for predatory fish and eels. But honestly, after all this, Im not even sure If I want to keep going at this hobby anymore as much as I love it. Leave alone getting a new fish just to be told by someone on the internet that I cant keep it and be called an animal abuser.
never called u an abuser of animals. Only suggested to find a better home or upgrade in two years.
Imo the sens are the best fitting due to size and relative activity.
They are quite frequently kept in 40b.
It isn’t the ideal tank size, but it is far from too small.
so ur saying its to small and only close to being kinda fine?
Doesn't sound like you are speaking from experience but more like you're just reading info off a website. I'm not saying sites like Seriouslyfish are unreliable but in real life, some of these fish can comfortably live in a tank slightly smaller than what is recommended. After all, it is a recommendation, not a strict rule or legislation. Of course, it can't be too small like a 10 gallon or something.

I have never kept albino fish do since i find it quite ugly. I do know they normally stay smaller indeed. But what i also know is that senegal really differ. Some wild caught senegal i saw on this forum was just as big as an adult orni... Thats massive, while mine have always stayed around 18cm. But i also had a longfin senegal who became 22cm and was still growing.

i have kept leopard fishes since i was 8 years old. Im now 20
and they still kicking. Same with a senegal i got when i was 10.
I got experience with them. Or atleast more then half of my live i have kept them. Im not so old do.

But im just saying that a bigger tank would be the recommended minimum. thats what i learned and have always kept them in.
Tbh i feel bad for my ctenopoma not being in the 2 meter tank since he became way less active in the smaller tank he is now in
I get that it might be fine. And if you already got them and cant find a better house it is kinda fine to keep them in that tank.
But im just not gone say that its a good permanent set up for those fish. yeah it might be fine but its on the really small side for those fish.

I’m sorry neko1 neko1 but your wrong. A captive bred albino sen won’t get to big for a standard 40 breeder and neither will a Ctenopoma both are fairly stationary fish. Sens are very active bichirs but by no means an overly active fish. Do me a favour and find me a video of a 10”+albino sen if you can I owe you an apology. I have owned upper jaw bichirs and Ctenopomas and I’m not claiming to be an expert but if it’s just the two fish in the tank with ample filtration I don’t think there will be any problems. Sorry if this is harsh but I don’t much appreciate you calling my advice stupid ?
sry for calling it stupid. My bad. But did i really say that? tried to find it but i dont think i said anywhere that something is stupid.
I know albino mostly get smaller then 10 inch, but it doesnt have to be that way. But do you find a fish of 22cm / 9 inch in a 40cm depth tank (1/2 its size) and 80cm (1/4 its size) fine for the long period?

And to the owner of this thread.
by any means im NOT saying ur an abuser. The fact that you stay here and are in doubt and keep asking questions tells me your def not. I never said that you are and i wane make clear that i dont think of you that way.
 
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