Another Hunting Thread - How Do You Guys Feel About This?

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Not sure how many of you have been to Africa and seen the place in the flesh , it's one of the greatest wildlife spectacles on the planet . But sadly these days the wildlife isn't as free roaming as a lot of people think , most are contained in conservaincies where they are managed by a community or private enterprise . The human population surrounds most of these areas , even though the Masai Mara and Serengetti are massive they are still contained areas and as much as i don't agree with hunting it is nessecary to manage the population of animals in the areas as certain animals will overpopulate ie. Elephants , Hippo's.
 
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pouring oil into a creek?? That would bother me too much to the point I wouldn't want to be around you. I guess I take things too seriously. More than once I've gotten into it with people
who litter, sure I understand someone will probably eventually clean it up, and to some extent I guess their littering isn't my business, but it's the attitude I have trouble getting past. I feel disrespected when people do that around me.

Hello; I was not dumping the oil. I was trying to get a fellow to recycle. While it did not work that day, my hope is that at some point the fellow did begin to recycle. I began recycling oil well before there were commonly available sites. Way back I got a local service station to let me dump my used oil into their holding tank. Now there are several places that take waste oil.

My guess is that there are still many people who do not recycle except for things they can get paid for like AL cans. One fellow did recycle cans for a time but stopped when he got to making good money. Now his AL cans go into the trash.
 
Hello; I was not dumping the oil. I was trying to get a fellow to recycle. While it did not work that day, my hope is that at some point the fellow did begin to recycle. I began recycling oil well before there were commonly available sites. Way back I got a local service station to let me dump my used oil into their holding tank. Now there are several places that take waste oil.

My guess is that there are still many people who do not recycle except for things they can get paid for like AL cans. One fellow did recycle cans for a time but stopped when he got to making good money. Now his AL cans go into the trash.



(in response to all your posts in this thread) I quite agree with you. It's maddening, trying to get people to care about the planet, to realize it's not some little game of hippie tree-hugging. It's life or death, it's trying to save the earth beneath your feet. A clean healthy earth is not a luxury that environmentalists feel entitled to. It's necessary to our existence.
 
Hello; I was not dumping the oil. I was trying to get a fellow to recycle. While it did not work that day, my hope is that at some point the fellow did begin to recycle. I began recycling oil well before there were commonly available sites. Way back I got a local service station to let me dump my used oil into their holding tank. Now there are several places that take waste oil.

My guess is that there are still many people who do not recycle except for things they can get paid for like AL cans. One fellow did recycle cans for a time but stopped when he got to making good money. Now his AL cans go into the trash.

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I understand it wasn't you pouring oil. I just meant if someone I thought of as a friend did that, I think it would bother me too much. Pouring oil in a creek to me is way beyond lazy or carelessness.
 
^I used to hang out with a bunch of people who used to throw their garbage all over the street. Of all those people, I either dont hang out with them anymore, or they dont litter anymore. Most of them have learned not to litter. It's really not that hard in New York, you're always spitting distance from a garbage pail.

I actually started wearing a necklance with a wooden turtle-shaped pendant on it,to use to guilt my friends into throwing out their garbage. :ROFL: we live right near the ocean, it's pretty easy. "Think of the turtles that will eat your garbage and die." It's a bit PETA (I hate PETA with a passion) but hey, it works.
 
Hello Bottomfeeder & FMA4ME; I also think the state of our environment is a matter that will determine our existence and it does bother me greatly about the things people do. In my experience being vocal and "in your face" about the issues with people is a good way to wind up being avoided and alone.

I have the resources to live a life style of greater consumption. I choose to reduce my impact. I moved to a new place about four years ago and have kept largely quiet about environmental issues with my new neighbors. My current house has functioning central air which I rarely use. A couple of neighboring families are having a tough time financially but they run the AC even on mild days. I do not think any have vehicles that get as much as 20 mpg, yet they are in and out many times a day. The folks in my new neighborhood do not quite understand me. I push mow close to an acre and am regularly offered the use of one of their riding mowers. I could start my oratory on the environment here but, based on past experience, am fairly sure it will be pointless.

I went thru a period of being very vocial about environmental issues in social settings. People do not want to hear about things that might mean the lifestyle they enjoy will have to change. My take is that it is now pretty much too late for many issues to have a good outcome. I try to live a low impact lifestyle compared to most around me and have been careful to not bring any children into this mess.

As mentioned in a post on this thread, it may well be that the species shot by the young lady are on limited ranges where large populations cannot exist. A quick end with a bullet for a few may be a better outcome that starvation for many.
 
^I used to hang out with a bunch of people who used to throw their garbage all over the street. Of all those people, I either dont hang out with them anymore, or they dont litter anymore. Most of them have learned not to litter. It's really not that hard in New York, you're always spitting distance from a garbage pail.

I actually started wearing a necklance with a wooden turtle-shaped pendant on it,to use to guilt my friends into throwing out their garbage. :ROFL: we live right near the ocean, it's pretty easy. "Think of the turtles that will eat your garbage and die." It's a bit PETA (I hate PETA with a passion) but hey, it works.

lol, maybe that would work better than me saying,
"man you're a dirtball!! get away from me!!" :D
 
Hello Bottomfeeder & FMA4ME; I also think the state of our environment is a matter that will determine our existence and it does bother me greatly about the things people do. In my experience being vocal and "in your face" about the issues with people is a good way to wind up being avoided and alone.

I have the resources to live a life style of greater consumption. I choose to reduce my impact. I moved to a new place about four years ago and have kept largely quiet about environmental issues with my new neighbors. My current house has functioning central air which I rarely use. A couple of neighboring families are having a tough time financially but they run the AC even on mild days. I do not think any have vehicles that get as much as 20 mpg, yet they are in and out many times a day. The folks in my new neighborhood do not quite understand me. I push mow close to an acre and am regularly offered the use of one of their riding mowers. I could start my oratory on the environment here but, based on past experience, am fairly sure it will be pointless.

I went thru a period of being very vocial about environmental issues in social settings. People do not want to hear about things that might mean the lifestyle they enjoy will have to change. My take is that it is now pretty much too late for many issues to have a good outcome. I try to live a low impact lifestyle compared to most around me and have been careful to not bring any children into this mess.

As mentioned in a post on this thread, it may well be that the species shot by the young lady are on limited ranges where large populations cannot exist. A quick end with a bullet for a few may be a better outcome that starvation for many.

Hello
I guess I should mention my in your face approach is a mix of attitude and positive peer pressure also :)
Great input, you and a few others shed some light on this subject I needed :D
 
It's not a spectrum of opinions on the issue of taking large predators out of the population, IMO. Go look up how many of this planet's large predators are threatened, endangered, or dangling right off the brink.

It's no secret, no more research need be done, into how much an ecosystem suffers when the large predators at the top of the food chain are removed from the food web. And, due to the loss of the vast majority of this planet's large predators... believe me, they dont need us to take individuals out of the population to keep it in check. We've been hacking away at the numbers for centuries. We dont need to take any more. We need to work to protect the remaining individuals.

You might want to reread that research carefully. That is when the species of large predator has been removed not an individual. Killing all the wolves in a local area is indisputably disastrous. Been shown every time. However if a species is on the brink killing the non productive old males and females will greatly enhance a species survival. Goes double for lions and many others just lions are the most widely know for this. An old male by shear luck kills the pride leader. He then does as they are programed and kills all the non weaned young. To old to hold onto the pride so is killed fairly quickly but he has wiped out several seasons of young. When the species is not endangered this is fine not lasting harm. Ugly and heart wrenching but not catastrophic. When a populations is measured in hundreds a dozen lost is a catastrophe.
 
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