Any ex FH keepers wanna input?

[elting44]

Yes, I do. A species is often defined as a group of organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring. Scientists are refining their taxonomic strategies in the hope of developing a standardized method of classifying, identifying, and describing the evolutionary history of species.
So yes, I believe dogs are primarily decendents of wolves, As a subspecies. I believe they are the same Family and Genus, But saying they are purely Canis Lupus Lupus I cant agree with. Too much conflicting DNA analysis, And the genepool is too diverse. And the domestic dog dates too far back to be accurate. Because there are many types of wolves, Even extinct species now that could have been used throughout time, Like the Dire wolf. Many Canus are capable of breeding producing viable offsprings, Like jackles, coyotes, While dogs on the other hand, some dogs cant breed because of diversity in their genetics. I dont not believe dogs came from Canis Lupus Lupus, I just have my doubts.

I am sorry, I dont understand your logic.

Rather than believing that modern domestic dogs are the product of man selectively breeding for specific traits over many generations, you believe they are seperate species that are the result of Canis lupus hyrbidizing with Jackals and/or Dire Wolves that have been extinct for 10,000 years?

What does this have to do with anything related to what the OP asked?

 

[HybridGS]

Every subject on hybrids ends like this, A Wikipedia based argument on Animal genealogy which is completely pointless.

If you like Flowerhorns, buy them, if you don't, don't, the rest of the rambling is pointless.

Wether people decide to make a stand or not, you wont help anything.

 

[FishingOut]

Nothing at all, His question was a simple answer. Id rather talk about origins of modern dogs than people just reiterate the same thing over and over.

....And at least nobody was called a Nazi.

 

[dogofwar]

I'm as guilty as the next guy of falling into the discussion about dogs / dog-wolf hybrids in response to the argument that the many varieties of dogs are completely different - and completely "acceptable" / not "man made" - (because they're only line bred) and not hybrids. Why knows. It all depends on your definition of "species"...and whether you believe that the various types of wild "dogs" are different species..

Back to what the OP asked:

While I've never kept flowerhorns, I used to keep more "fancy" fish than I currently do. Why don't I still have my colony of Albino Eureka Red Peacocks...or my pair of koi angels? Lack of space...and current interest in the many (wild-type) flavors of Cryptoheros, convicts and chanchitos...

Matt

I am sorry, I dont understand your logic.

Rather than believing that modern domestic dogs are the product of man selectively breeding for specific traits over many generations, you believe they are seperate species that are the result of Canis lupus hyrbidizing with Jackals and/or Dire Wolves that have been extinct for 10,000 years?

What does this have to do with anything related to what the OP asked?

 

[dogofwar]

Actually, most hybrid arguments end with some people rationalizing how ornamental fish that are presumed to be line bred (EBJD, fancy peacocks, balloon rams, German Red Peacocks, etc.) are COMPLETELY different than ornamental fish created through intentional hybridization of similar species...and other people lumping all ornamental (i.e. intentionally different than what's found in nature) fish together.

Matt

Every subject on hybrids ends like this, A Wikipedia based argument on Animal genealogy which is completely pointless.

If you like Flowerhorns, buy them, if you don't, don't, the rest of the rambling is pointless.

Wether people decide to make a stand or not, you wont help anything.

 

[Joeygee23]

I wholeheartedly agree. Add tattoo'd Mollies to the list.

Thats a pretty comprehensive list of fish I am not a fan of. With the exception of Koi. I like Koi,

I like Blue Rams, just not the jelly bean and veil tail ones.

Like I said, being man made is only one of the things about FHs that turn me off on them.

All of the man-made fish you listed are popular so people must be buying them. I see long finned zebra danios and mickey mouse mollies and I am not a fan. I like angels and discus to be wild type

just my .02. It comes down to personal preference

 

[the animal guy]

y'all nonsense

 

[dlp40]

I've actually went both ways on this subject. In the past 15 or so years i have gone from purist to hybrid on several occations.

I love my centrals/ without a doubt my favorite set of fish in this world. That being said I, and my wife and kids, love FH's as well. I do not mix the two for my own reasons and i don't breed them any more either. I just lke the FH's.

right now i have a salt tank and my 125 gallon is deicated to my female FH. Once she dies, or if something better comes along, i'll switch it up again. the one thing i'm sure of is this thread went crazy with hybrid dog talk,lol.

That's my .02 happy fish talking.

 

[Chicklette]

I had a FH but he started attacking my parrot so I had the choice to keep the parrot or FH and i chose the parrot. I love my parrot, he is massive, i now have him with an oscar.

 

[skillzizzo]

"Man made" fish include: koi, fancy goldfish, fancy livebearers (guppies, platies, swordtails, mollies, etc.), fancy bettas, fancy gouramis, fancy discus, fancy angelfish, anything long-finned, albino, German Rams, fancy peacocks (German Red, OB, Firefish), parrots, flowerhorns, and many other fish that lots of people keep.

Seems like being "against" man-made fish would make one "against" like most of the fish available in pet stores...

Matt

agreed