Anyone able to help me figure this out?

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phillydog1958;4716632; said:
These are wild animals and they can be dangerous. I don't get it . . .
The 2 wild adult servals a friend in Spain brougth to serve as breeders were as dangerous as the most wild domestic cat you can find. When they arrived all they did was run, hiss and posture. Now they come around, hiss a bit but check people out. If you enter the enclosure all they do is go for cover. YES if you come to close your getting claws in your face but thats it, they dont charge or anything. The difence between these 2 and the cb he has is that the cb ones rub themselfes all over the fence and beg for atention. Not something to have near a litle kid unrestrained but no big deal in therms of danger.
 
phillydog1958;4716661; said:
And they can't be domesticated. Even if they're raised by humans from cub to adult. At some point, when a crisis arrises, the animal will revert to what comes natural.
That is why you have to keep it in a large indoor/outdoor enclosure for the animal to be able to do its stuff and you to be able to enjoy its presence in safety.
 
phillydog1958;4716661; said:
And they can't be domesticated. Even if they're raised by humans from cub to adult. At some point, when a crisis arrises, the animal will revert to what comes natural.
You dont know what your talking about do you?

Serval can actually be domesticated(as well as a cat can be, lol) They are very good cats. CB that is. Iv done quite a bit of research. Im not jumping into this. I know what i need to get, and what its gonna cost me. I know its most likly gonna bond to my wife or I and that is the person its gonna trust. It wont trust anyone else as much(i fear it will be my wife, but god i hope not) And frankly, they arnt a freakin cougar. They have, if i can remeber the quote, the best cat for a true cat lover.

Savannah are hybrids, and require a permit as well belive it or not. I dont want a hybrid. If im gonna need a permit im getting the real deal.

PS, you do realise i have a caiman right?
 
When I was living in Massachusettes and looking to get my fennec it took a few weeks of getting the runaround to find out exactly what we needed to do (and they don't require a permit!). We started with the USDA and fish and game warden. We also got some good advice from the exotic vet where we took our parrots. This was almost 10 years ago now, I mostly just keep her inside and her vet records handy to avoid problems, lol.
I think you need to talk to the game/wildlife commission. In both Mass and Michigan we dealt mostly with the DNR and USDA, it was still quite a headache just to clarify that we DIDN'T need any permits.. We spent hours at a time being transfered back and forth to different depts and then told we needed to call someone else. We got the same thing when I was looking into exhibition and it turned out (in Michigan) all we had to do was pay for an inspection from the USDA and they'd give us the permit.

I would try to locate current/former breeders or brokers and see if any of them can help you or point you in the right direction.
Also, I don't know how you're planning to aquire one but if adoption is a possibility then rescues would be another good place to look. So long as they feel you're serious about taking care of it longterm they can be extremely helpful.
Good luck to you.
 
It could have been worse lol....bengal tigers, lions and cougars. Just settle with a catfish ;) . I seen on tv where people had them, but I think it was a rescue facility and they had "foster parents".
 
Servals are great cats, No where near the same level as a tiger or anything and unlike some other wild cats....the big ones mostly... I do believe they can be kept safely and happily in a private residence as long as the person knows what they are doing and clearly Leper up here DOES and is takin his time to do so (thats not an insult btw it's just what i think of every time i see your name :P )

Also... Savannahs are gorgeous great cats but most F1 and F2's are actually like.. 3 times the price a just a regular serval.....

as for the permitting issue.... Get to know your states fish and wildlife site backwards and forwards and if you still are unsure contact the person there most likely to know... there is usually an email specific for permits or keeping wildlife or exotics....
Also agree with everyone else about contacting breeders, especially if they are in your state or another state that requires a permit.
 
domestic animal
-noun
1. an animal, as the horse or cat, that has been tamed and kept by humans as a work animal, food source, or pet, especially a member of those species that have, through selective breeding, become notably different from their wild ancestors.
Origin: 1850–55

I'll leave it at that. All I can say is, "Good luck."
 
Horses have not noticeably changed from their wild counter parts... they still look and act just like horses.... so by that definition they are not domestic.
And if that is the definition you use than NOTHING other than domestic dogs and cats (and possibly cows and turkeys) are... domesticated. So if you are insinuating that non domestic animals should not be kept as 'pets' that means no fish, birds, reptiles, amphibians, rodents.... etc...
 
phillydog1958;4718233; said:
domestic animal
-noun
1. an animal, as the horse or cat, that has been tamed and kept by humans as a work animal, food source, or pet, especially a member of those species that have, through selective breeding, become notably different from their wild ancestors.
Origin: 1850–55

I'll leave it at that. All I can say is, "Good luck."
If a animal can be cb generation upon generation, then it is domesticated. That however doesant imply its tame! You have for example strains of "domestic" farm crocodiles in croc farms in southeast asia. They descend from the multigenerational interbreeding of saltwater crocodiles, siamese crocodiles and cuban crocodiles. They are mutts specially designed for being prolific, hardy and with beautifull pelts. Tame? Not a chance, they are as mean as any other croc.
 
Sylvias;4718240; said:
Horses have not noticeably changed from their wild counter parts... they still look and act just like horses.... so by that definition they are not domestic.
And if that is the definition you use than NOTHING other than domestic dogs and cats (and possibly cows and turkeys) are... domesticated. So if you are insinuating that non domestic animals should not be kept as 'pets' that means no fish, birds, reptiles, amphibians, rodents.... etc...
Leopard geckos, bearded dragons, green iguanas, a few Cyclura, crested geckos, red eared sliders, sulcatas, leopard tortoises, corn snakes, king snakes, ball pythons,....are by any means domestic animals! Many more reptiles, fish, amphibians, birds and mammals are as well!
 
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