let's see .. should we ban interbred humans??.. anything living deserves the same respect as we give other species.. and i know a buncha "purists" whatever that is are gonna give me crap , let em , this thread really isn't the place to argue bio genetics , mostly b/c 99 % of everybody that will respond is politically motivated or motivated by ignorance of the subject... tbt most parrots are sterile anyway , so , like i said what's the point?
Are Breeding Them Inhuman?
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Well you got too remember are species became a hybrid roughly 40,000 years ago in the late eocene thats when are species started interbreeding with other humans.
Some people, and Animal Rights Activists are saying we should ban the selling of these fish. Also making statements that we should closely examine what we crossbred and if, or how it affects the fish to better stop this problem from ever happening again.
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I think breeding for defective traits that some people look after because they think it's cute or cool is cruel. What I mean by that is the common mouth defect with parrots and short body and/or any trait that would compromise the fish's health and survival in general. As for hybrids in general, I think they would be great in a perfect world where nobody lies or cheats about what they're selling, but sadly we don't live in a perfect world. In some instances I support hybrids eg(a high grade red texas) but I'm against them when the bloodlines get muddied eg(trying to find a clean labiatus). So I generally am against messing with fish genetics and admiring the fish's natural beauty, but I might get called a hypocrite because there's a gold sev in my profile pic. To answer that, that's what's available to me due to farms line breeding fish, I would absolutely chose a wild notatus or a tiger over line bred ones.
Personally, I think parrots cross the line in regards to acceptable hybrids. The reason being the health of the fish. While they have come along way from what they first are, the issues with their mouth and swimbladder are tough for me to agree with allowing to continue to breed commercially.
But obviously they are so entrenched in the hobby that they aren't going away anytime soon.
For hybrids on the whole, I understand both sides of the debate. Many hybrids are perfectly healthy, but I feel the concerns about muddying up the overall genetics of certain species due to mislabeling and crossbreeding.
But obviously they are so entrenched in the hobby that they aren't going away anytime soon.
For hybrids on the whole, I understand both sides of the debate. Many hybrids are perfectly healthy, but I feel the concerns about muddying up the overall genetics of certain species due to mislabeling and crossbreeding.
fair enough.. but to me that's legitimizing the *vast* minority of thought .. it , imo, rivals flat earth , and other similar topics, there are "thoughts" about every subject , many are just troglodyte level ideas.. .. i don't mean to demean the thread or you , lots of people (myself included) let themselves be influenced by ideas that don't have merit , but are well presented... stop for a second and think why should a blood parrot be considered "less" than any other fish ? then compare it to any human in the same situation .. it's not the bp's fault (s)he exists....don't get me started on "animal rights activists" either .. did you know ? most animal rights charities are basically scams, most (like the aspca) are about 90% "administration" fees.. that is when you donate some guy takes 90 cents on the dollar as his "cut" ...
Yeah I read about that yesterday I had too do a homework on animal rights/animal welfare groups and by what I researched PETA(for those who live under a rock peta is one of the biggest animal rights groups in the U.S) is basically a cult you got to read the reports some ex employees gave too the media.
I was just stating opinions of others, not those of myself.This has nothing to do with the Blood Parrots existence itself as some breeders in Taiwan decided to come up with this specific breed of fish and brought it into existence but are we as hobbyists, breeders, private sellers, etc. the reason these fish still have to endure harder times because of our decisions upon their lives. Many charities do use these thieving methods with donations, tips, etc.and really don't care about what they say they do but this is a fish keeper talking to fish keepers should we make a effort to stop the selling of these fish (Slowing killing off their existence, but not trying to physically kill these fish) to better the treatment of our fellow animal?
i get the thought but imo , the argument is moot , who is going to regulate it ? china?not hardly .. and even if they did the breeders will find a way to change address (to an unregulated country), and then hobbyists will have to deal with the black market...they are here .. and who says their lives suck ? i have one that's about 8-9 yo.. that's a better life span than lots of "pure " bred fish that are way to inbred in the hobby these days ...i actually support the thought that *if* as a known fact, that bp's are "suffering" then breeding should not occur .. but it is what it is , and it ain't going to change.. hell, congress can't even come up with a plan to save the economy , we got lots of "bigger fish to fry" these days.. but like i say *in theory* i support the thought ( of protecting the species from suffering)....
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