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[ShipOfFools37]

I didn't mean to say that you in particular take things for granted, that wasn't a direct flame on you, and if it appeared that way, I'm sorry. I'm not that much older, I'm 23, It's just the nature of today's culture as a whole, IMO. I've seen your posts with all of your spiders and all the other animals you have, you do seem like a very experienced pet owner who takes care of your animals and I commend you for that, not many people your age can handle that kind of responsibility and I respect that, well done.

 

[Jessica Dring]

Well thanks mate, nice of you
I'm a very fortunate person And yes, it takes a lot of time and money, I hardly have a social life pmsl.
I know you weren't making a flame on me DW, this generation certainly has more luxuries (sp?) and have a lot more available to them. I just think as a species, Homo sapiens are generally discontent with what they have. Grass is always greener they say. But I think there are a lot out there who really do appreciate it.

As corny as it sounds, when I'm munching on my favourite snack or drinking something, I often think to myself 'How fortanute and lucky I am that I have this available whenever I want, compared to the third world countires '

But I guess once you've visited a third world country and seen the devestation first hand, it has that effect on you.

 

[andyjs]

I don't really agree with the return of the WD-If you're willing to buy a sick animal and nurse it back to health, more power to you. If you're not, pass on the sick animal and get a healthy one-but the thing that bothers me the most is the situation with the other beardie. You had a nice, healthy beardie, decided you didn't want a beardie, got rid of it, got a new lizard, that didn't work, so you got ANOTHER beardie? How long will this one stick around?

 

[BreellaBlue87]

For the love of Christmas! If you guys want to help him-- then HELP! stop badgering him, it will get you nowhere.

 

[Mike D]

Many of you who seem to be agreeing with the idea of trading in the CWD appear to be on the younger half of the MFK spectrum. Many of those who are upset with the OP's actions are older, experienced herp keepers. I think those of you who think it's ok that he returned the CWD don't have the experience, or see these animals like the older folks do. Many of the group "against" the actions of the OP are people who've been keeping herps a long time and are involved in rescue, breeding and/or professional jobs involving these animals. I've read a lot of threads on here and I know that MikeD rescues these animals, I can think of a beardie and iguana off the top of my head, and varanio is a gecko breeder. I've never owned a CWD or a beardie or a gecko, so I can't speak to the actual handling or care for the specific ailments of these animals. However, you have to understand that you're getting advice from people who will purchase sick animals on purpose, because they know what they are doing and will rehabilitate the animal if at all possible. Now, I understand that money may be an issue here for you and it might not be an issue for some of the older herp-keepers. So I will say that if you cannot afford to get the animal the proper care that it deserves, you should take it to someone who can. However, I cannot agree with not wanting to pay for the care it deserves. I don't know the whole story, I've picked up tidbits about a beardie, then CWD now beardie, or however it goes. But from the original post it states that the CWD was sick when you originally purchased it, therefore, I believe that you shouldn't have just ditched it when it got sick again. When you purchase an animal you should be prepared to house, feed and care for the animal, which includes medicine and vet visits. I can understand if you bought it healthy, but then at some point it got sick and you just didn't have the money so the best thing to do was to give the animal back, but if this isn't the case and you just didn't want to spend the money on the animal, I think thats wrong and maybe keeping pets isn't the right hobby for you. These people aren't here to upset you, flame you or hurt your feelings. When you post on these forums you're asking advice from experienced animal keepers and thats what you will get. As stated before, it's constructive criticism, they want to see you and the animal prosper. So, don't be quick to think everyone hates you and such, they're just concerned for the animals in question. As for my personal opinion, if you knowingly bought the animal sick, then didn't get it proper care because you didn't want to, not because you couldn't afford it, I think that is a poor decision and irresponsible. That being said, it is all done and over with, the pet store has the sick animal, you're the proud owner of another, very good looking beardie. I hope you don't see this as a personal attack on you, because it was directed that way, and I hope that all goes well with the beardie!


p.s. if you can't care for a sick animal next time, look to MFK to re-home him! there are plenty of people here who would love to take the animal and get him healthy and give him a great home!!

i agree.
while im not real old, almost 23, i do see thats its more the younger group that disagrees. it might be the people with less experience. ive had reps for about 16 years now, i cant remember returning anything because it got sick.

He DID buy a sick animal, but he also DID buy medication for it. But then the animal gets sick again and they want him to buy more meds that are more expensive? What about the next time it gets sick? And the next? And the next? It's not like you can add your lizard to your health insurance plan.

And to the guy with the hook through his face: iguanas DO cost thousands of dollars in the long run. I know. I owned an iguana. But that cost is spread out over long periods, THAT'S why it's easier to do that to suddenly have to buy expensive antibiotics. Especially on an animal that seems like it's going to be getting sick over and over and over.

While I agree that as pet owners it is our responsibility to give these animals the best lives possible, considering it is our greed that got them removed from their natural habitat in the first place, I don't agree with having to spend so much extra money on them, either because of a bad vendor or bad DNA, to the point where it feels like I'm paying child support! If I recently bought an animal, and it keeps getting sick and sick over and over, I don't want it. It's not what I paid for, and it's not my problem. Now, if I've owned it for a while and THEN it gets sick, then YES, obviously it's my responsibility! The 4 different kinds of fish medication in my drawer are proof that I know that.

But sometimes it's just not worth it, and it really sucks for the animal, but until we find a way to make money grow on trees, it's just not gonna happen.

you can get pet insurance.
but yes i do think he should of taken care of the problem. he bought it sick, you deal with it.
the thing that pissed me off is the fact that if we were talking about a dog it would of been taken care of. even if it had just been bought or adopted. reptiles now have a throw-away aspect to them and its because stuff like this is so common. look at all of the iggs, sav. monitors and such that get ditched every year. its disgusting. reps get sick, get mean, get to big. what do you do? well just give them to someone else.

Mike, I haven't seen anything on this thread that suggests he knew the animal was sick when he bought it. However, if theres another thread I don't know about, then fair do's! I don't have an argument for that, as I don't agree with knowlingly buying sick animals either! I'm just going by what is said on this particular thread. And if theres another thread actually about this water dragon, then perhaps all the arguments should have stayed on that one?

However, knowing a pet shop owner myself, I know they do care if they're stock dies in their care. It's a loss of money simple as..of course they care. And if people are taking sick animal after sick animal back, and the owners of the pet shop are losing their money this way..they are going to go with something more inclined to earn them money next time. It's common sense for business.

he states it in the first post.

i too have talked to shop owners. while they do loose some money they are always going to have those little kids wanting a cheap herp. Mommy and Daddy will go and buy it and if it gets sick they just let it die. either way the shop owner will get its money.

 

[krzr3000]

Pet stores are businesses with the one and only goal of making money, period. Eating the cost of a few sick and dead animals is part of the business. Its never going to stop, thats reality.

I still think its lame...don't buy an animal especially one thats already sick if you aren't going to take responsibility. Should it be surprising it needed further meds down the road?

EDIT: i also think that this varies a lot person to person. Maybe it has to do with age or experience with herps or whatever, maybe not. But we are all going to have different views. Personally, i wasn't impressed as i prefer to adopt animals and keep long term captives. Given i can afford the unexpected, i think thats part of being responsible regardless.

 

[Jessica Dring]

Miked-- I've already said I missed the part where he said he bought the CWD already sick, and ONCE again..already said it changes everything.

I personally know, not just talk to pet shop owners. And the point I was saying is that IF the people bring the animals back to the shiop, in the diseased way they first recieved them, rather than let them down..it certainly does make you think twice on a buisness point.

Why go to buy WC sick animals, when you've had people returning the sick animals, refunding people, or even no buisness for those animals at all, when you can buy CB stock and make a good profit. It's dellusional to think just one or two of the animals in this case die. If more buyers returned the animals once realizing its sick, or not buying it when they see its sick, then the shops are gonna get the standards customers are willing to buy - or they don't get money for what they're getting in simple as. Its supply on demand. If people won't buy it, you stock something they will

No, your right, its not going to change whilst people are still buying these sick animals, or not returning them once they realise its sick, and the pet shop owners will still get the money, which is what I've been saying all along -so thanks for proving my point buddy.

 

[krzr3000]

I personally know, not just talk to pet shop owners. And the point I was saying is that IF the people bring the animals back to the shiop, in the diseased way they first recieved them, rather than let them down..it certainly does make you think twice on a buisness point.

Why go to buy WC sick animals, when you've had people returning the sick animals, refunding people, or even no buisness for those animals at all, when you can buy CB stock and make a good profit. It's dellusional to think just one or two of the animals in this case die. If more buyers returned the animals once realizing its sick, or not buying it when they see its sick, then the shops are gonna get the standards customers are willing to buy - or they don't get money for what they're getting in simple as.

This is the reason shops have limited guarantees, in many cases just a few days.

 

[Jessica Dring]

This is the reason shops have limited guarantees, in many cases just a few days.

Your right, they are snidey in that way.
But then, much of that can be elimated with an immediate vet check. Of course, it doesn't work when you need to wait a week for results

 

[coura]

All chinese water dragons in pet stores unless its proven otherwise are wild cauth in their home land, and have to be assumed as being sick. All over the years ive owned quite a few and they all had their issues, they are more delicate then igs and unlike them they are not farmed. It makes part of the deal, never mind what the pet store owner says. To get a healty true cb cwd you have to find a breeder, get into waiting list and pay way more then what it is asked in store, but its worth it, probably it wont ever get hill. At the end getting a wild cauth is going to get expensive. That being said yes pet stores have the obligacon of providing healty stock but that really is a utopia, I had enough with most of my locals. And allways that you get a animal there is allways the possibility that he may get sick. And you as the caregiver has to provide care whatever expensive it may be. And then there is really the possibility that he wont survive. If you dont want the bills and the risk DONT BUY ANIMALS. As simple as that.