jutch & paw, BS is BS. jutch is changing his tune, to sound different from his first 2 posts. Simple comparisons:
............ I was down watching them this morning and he locked lips with the bahia red tail and the bahia proceeded to push him to the surface and out of the water. It was quite a sight to see. Very impressive display from my bahia. Sadly i think this red oscar will be killed over the next few days but i dont know for sure.
^No mystery in his own firsthand observation.
No request for helpful suggestions.
Hes in there so the male doesnt kill the female. Sacrificing a $5 oscar to keep a rare $150 oscar alive is a necessary evil. The Bahia Red Tails are a breeding pair that have spawned 2 times in my pond and i would sacrifice 100 $5 oscars for species preservation all day long to keep the bahia line going..
^No confusion there, only 100% reason and intention.
Now claiming it was a deceptive rant, designed to trigger negativity.
Why such condescension if you got what you wanted?
OR you could get ideas from MFKers who manage breeding aggression in different ways, AND successfully!
^
A suggestion. Ignored. Must not be wanted.
After this red oscar gets "sadly" killed, he will have to be replaced with another one & then another... until owner gets fry. The LFS must think he's into rescuing adult oscars. or maybe answers craiglisters: Free To Good Home.
Lazya$$ breeder management strategy. must cut down on breeding habitat size, hiding/escape places etc.
I truly hope this approach is not commonly practiced.???
I'd really like to know the answer to that question.
This thread just screwed my mind for the day. especially Re: Shopping for unique fish= "Yayyyyyyy..."
NOT.
^Oh, the bashing, the horribleness of ranting! (because it's not the OP, eh?
BTW, I still would like to know if this is a common 'solution' for breeding aggression. because yes, it affected me emotionally regarding whole view of shopping for 'unique' fish.
Just to clarify its not the only one in the pond that has fight marks. There are 2 oscars an azul peacock bass and a red belly pacu that all have marks. I couldnt say who the one is doing the damage, my best guess is the clown knife because he is the biggest. My pond has the following in it
21" clown knife
2 - 12" to 13" red oscars
breeding pair of bahia red tails 13"
7" yellow acara
13" red belly pacu
14" florida gar
19" orange flower ray
17" marbled motoro
The little acara, the clown and the rays are the only ones with no marks on them. I think its ludicrous to even consider separating them all. Fish fight right? Territories get established? Is this not nature? Honestly i dont think anyone will die.
story changes, story changes.
Long impressive list of species in pond. So, YES, considering your own observation of
the oscars, it does sound "ludicrous" for you to mention separating "them all". They have no part in the oscar breeding aggression.
Whoever brought up that idea, really
should be put in their low place and belittled.
This is one thing I dislike about MFK... Most responses have veiled insults and very few have made a sincere offer of help or advice. He's not a heartless breeder running a puppy mill. He's sharing his experience. Why don't some of You more knowledgeable keepers Share some advice, Or is it easier to just bash him? If you know better, Help Him! If not, cut it out.
Paw, he never even hinted at the "thought" of any other methods. Hasn't ASKed for any. I did suggest that he ask others. There are plenty of members here breeding more aggressive species than him.
Nope, he's not running a puppy mill. He SAID:
"Hes in there so the male doesnt kill the female. Sacrificing a $5 oscar to keep a rare $150 oscar alive is a necessary evil. The Bahia Red Tails are a breeding pair that have spawned 2 times in my pond and i would sacrifice 100 $5 oscars for species preservation all day long to keep the bahia line going"
Sounds pretty noble, AS IF Bahia oscars are endangered. They're not- just worth a lot of money.
Appreciate this aqua.
Ive been keeping fish for 20 years now and never lost a fish to territorial disputes except when breeding africans because some of the large wild caught show males kill everything in the tank with them, as i only do species tanks and usually only keep pairs or trios, but im finding it ever so hard to keep pairs anymore because i keep finding my females dead.
I only went off on the rant about who cares about a $5 fish because of the ignorant responses from others to my original post. Care of my fish is top priority and i invest way more money into my fish and their upkeep than im sure most of the bashers have ever thought of spending.
I just get annoyed with ignorance very easily and i tend to post stuff that will get a rise from other ignorant people, its fun when i get bashed for no reason to throw out a legit reason to get bashed, even if its not a true reason or an actual thing i would ever do.
Back to topic now, i left out my male and female 13" azuls from the list of whats in the pond. I dont know which fish is really to blame for all the scars on all the fish and my whole original point of posting was to get any opinions from others as to which fish people may think is to blame. I am leaning toward the clown knife since his size is substantially bigger but im not familiar with that species aggression so i wouldnt know if pointing the finger at him is correct. Either way i am looking to rehome him since the oscars havent spawned since he was introduced into the pond.
Really? So, your expertise is so high above all lowlier members, that to question your
NON-request for alternative methods is IGNORANT.
You know what? I'll admit all day long (100 times, @$5.00 a crack, that I know nothing. "Please someone, help me for I am an ignoramus."
Go ahead and insult that. Not knowing is where everybody begins. Thinking you're above asking for solutions, is LUDICROUS. and if you get bashed, you bring it on yourself.
Paw, you're right, "veiled insults" are worthless.
However, straight up statements are "a necessary evil" when someone doesn't think they can even use any help.
TBH, if no alternative suggestions are made by experienced breeders of aggressive species, that is more troubling to me, than one guys' admission of his method.
