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I agree that it is best to keep the stress as low as possible. However.... Given how lethal and strong this disease is, this fish needs strength. And yes fish can go a very long time without food, however it does take a toll on them especially in CB fish that are fed regimentally and haven't had to survive like that, I think if he doesn't for a week then you should force feed because his immune system must be fueled, it isn't just the meds that are doing are the work. If people are sick and can't eat, we get an IV because it is necessary to keep the immune system healthy while it is fighting. I think if you do force feed him, don't mush regular food. Add vitamin supplements, and make almost a SUPER food, load it with vitamins and minerals as well as protein. So yes, he can go a long time, but that is without a illness, especially not a illness like this. This is the time he needs to be able to fight the strongest, he will have much less chances of getting through this if his immune system is not kept in check.
 
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force feeding would be just as detrimental as a lack of nutrients at this point in my opinion. The stress alone may push him past the tipping point. This isn't an easy battle so don't panic and think food is going to be a crucial life saving measure at this point.
 
MP_cichlid said:
I agree that it is best to keep the stress as low as possible. However.... Given how lethal and strong this disease is, this fish needs strength. And yes fish can go a very long time without food, however it does take a toll on them especially in CB fish that are fed regimentally and haven't had to survive like that, I think if he doesn't for a week then you should force feed because his immune system must be fueled, it isn't just the meds that are doing are the work. If people are sick and can't eat, we get an IV because it is necessary to keep the immune system healthy while it is fighting. I think if you do force feed him, don't mush regular food. Add vitamin supplements, and make almost a SUPER food, load it with vitamins and minerals as well as protein. So yes, he can go a long time, but that is without a illness, especially not a illness like this. This is the time he needs to be able to fight the strongest, he will have much less chances of getting through this if his immune system is not kept in check.
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stress will kill a sick fish 100 times faster than a lack of nutrients.
 
Personally I would also hold off on food for now, a week is nothing. Mouthbrooding females (that are under the physical stress of producing eggs, then holding a mouthful of fry) typically go 3-4 weeks without eating. An otherwise healthy adult fish can easily fast for a few weeks.
 
Yea, how's your fish doing? You have serious eyes on this now. We're all waiting on an update.
 
This is one NASTY killer...


Potassium permanganate will kill most bacteria, and FAST..

Treatment: Drop temp NOW to 22-24 degrees C
Either get tri sulfa, tetracyclene or oxytetracylene and follow the instructions on the bottle, and get Potassium permanganate A.S.A.P.

TRI-Sulpha works best.

Treatment with PP:
There should be like a pimple/wound on its mouth..
Open the wound and bath in a bucket or tub at 10ppm Potassium permanganate for 30 mins, then dose tank at 2ppm Potassium permanganate every 24 hours for 3 days it will oxidize nearly all forms of bacteria.
This is one nasty disease, all i can say is act fast, and good luck.

Dosage info
Make a solution of Potassium permanganate to use for your treatment..
Add 1 Gram of Potassium permanganate to 1 Litre of water..
Add 10ml of this solution per litre of water = 10ppm

i.e. if your bathing your fish in 5L tank water put 50ml of the PP solution in with the fish, also as a air stone

WARNING: ALL OF THE MEDS LISTED WILL KILL GOOD BACTERIA!!! ESPECIALLY PP....DO NOT ADD PP TO YOUR TANK!!!
 
The bacteria that cause this disease are said to exist in, and proliferate in detritus conditions, and in nature can even remain dormant in dried or frozen mud, emerging when the rains return, or the ground thaws. So if you have filters that have build up of mulm, canisters not regularly cleaned, or areas in the tank not meticulously vacuumed, the bacteria is still there. So just treating the overtly infected fish does not remove all of it from the system.
I had read some research, where in aquaculture some degree of success had been reached, when using hydrogen peroxide to help remove latent cysts. So after the disease seemed under control in my tanks, and after vigorous vacuuming, and water changes, I added periodic doses of peroxide every couple days or so.
I had figured any infected fish were doomed anyway, so what was the harm. Whether it was the peroxide that helped or not, I'm not sure, but after that regime, I didn't lose any more fish.
 
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So did the fish you were dosing with hydrogen peroxide survive?
 
ragin_cajun said:
Yea, how's your fish doing? You have serious eyes on this now. We're all waiting on an update.
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OKAY AN UPDATE! He looks a lot better but hes breathing heavy and not eating. The fish is not expired and tank temp is very low about 70. Its been a good week and finished treatment. I am going to go tomorrow and start another dosage on him he seems like he likes the meds. I am not doing water changes everyday just every other day like the medicine said. He still has this thick mucus/white area on his mouth. What concerns me the fact hes not eating...
 
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