Cacellian worm Breeding

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Breeding of this species is not difficult. Get a male and a female, and they will spawn. Mom will give birth to live young, generally 2-5. Keep other inhabitants out of the tank. When the babies are born, move mom and dad out. It doesn't take long for these guys to get hungry, I'd offer them black worms right off the bat. They are generally 2-3" long when born.
 
WyldFya;4326180; said:
T. natans, is not illegal to keep, just illegal to import.

i quoted the lacey act directly from the governments website that clearly states that it's illegal to possess any animal that was collected illegally.

what can you show to back up your claim?
 
ScatMan;4326300;4326300 said:
i quoted the lacey act directly from the governments website that clearly states that it's illegal to possess any animal that was collected illegally.

what can you show to back up your claim?
They are not cites listed, they have been in the US since before they were banned from export, they are bred in captivity in the US. That is why they are not illegal to own. They were not illegally acquired, they were present in the US at the time the law was put into effect.
 
WyldFya;4326180; said:
T. natans, is not illegal to keep, just illegal to import.

Thanks, I am not worried anymore :)

WyldFya;4326183; said:
Breeding of this species is not difficult. Get a male and a female, and they will spawn. Mom will give birth to live young, generally 2-5. Keep other inhabitants out of the tank. When the babies are born, move mom and dad out. It doesn't take long for these guys to get hungry, I'd offer them black worms right off the bat. They are generally 2-3" long when born.

Awesome. Keep this forum close as there will be more questions.
 
WyldFya;4326385; said:
They are not cites listed, they have been in the US since before they were banned from export,

there is more than just cites that makes an animal illegal, there are a lot of laws (too many in my opinion) to follow. they were never legal to export, no permits were ever issued by their home countries as i understand it.

WyldFya;4326385; said:
they are bred in captivity in the US. That is why they are not illegal to own.

that's not why, i can breed panda's or snakehead if i had them, it doesn't make them legal just because they were captive bred here.

WyldFya;4326385; said:
They were not illegally acquired, they were present in the US at the time the law was put into effect.

the lacey act was written in 1900 and amended to include reptiles and amphibians in 1969.

was anybody importing and breeding these in the 60's???

either way, they were never legally collected in their home country, therefore they're illegal to possess in the US, according to the lacey act.
 
ScatMan;4316286; said:
t. natans are illegal to import or keep in the united states. however, i do still see them at pet shops now and then.

i wouldn't be telling the world that you have them unless you want fish and game knocking on your door with a warrant.

please don't think that i'm scolding you or something, i'm just trying to let you know what's what. :)QUOTE]


Really??? You think fish and game can get a judge to sign a warrant for a home search? In the real world judges don't sign search warrants like on a TV shows lol It's a very big deal to search a home in the US. Thankfully.
Thanks for the "What's what" we (MFKers) consider our selves on notice..........Mr. CSI err ScatMan (wink)
 
Egon;4326561; said:
Really??? You think fish and game can get a judge to sign a warrant for a home search? In the real world judges don't sign search warrants like on a TV shows lol It's a very big deal to search a home in the US. Thankfully.
Thanks for the "What's what" we (MFKers) consider our selves on notice..........Mr. CSI err ScatMan (wink)

dude why are you flaming me and derailing the thread?

yes judges can sign a warrant if they're presented with enough evidence; like an admission of guilt over a web forum.
 
ScatMan;4326594; said:
dude why are you flaming me and derailing the thread?

yes judges can sign a warrant if they're presented with enough evidence; like an admission of guilt over a web forum.

I apologize about the flaming, cheers bud.
 
Ok, well i did then next best thing from this she think he thinks thing and called fish and wildlife services. I got in contact with them and they said it was not illegal to own. NOW, they did say that you need a license to sell them of class 3. So all these people that sell fish and frogs and stuff online in classifieds sections are suppose to have a class 3 license to sell these animals? Sounds stupid if it is not any sort of business, Just a hobby to try to breed them just as if i breed guppies and sold the babies. So do i really need a license, the lady didnt seem she knew what she was talking about when it came to the licensing. lol, dont even know if i will be able to breed them or if i will bbreed more then 1 or 2 batches.

Is this the license the person was talking about and do i need it?
http://myfwc.com/license/FreshwaterPermit_resident_fish_dealer.htm
 
Etunes;4326729; said:
Ok, well i did then next best thing from this she think he thinks thing and called fish and wildlife services. I got in contact with them and they said it was not illegal to own. NOW, they did say that you need a license to sell them of class 3. So all these people that sell fish and frogs and stuff online in classifieds sections are suppose to have a class 3 license to sell these animals? Sounds stupid if it is not any sort of business, Just a hobby to try to breed them just as if i breed guppies and sold the babies. So do i really need a license, the lady didnt seem she knew what she was talking about when it came to the licensing. lol, dont even know if i will be able to breed them or if i will bbreed more then 1 or 2 batches.

Is this the license the person was talking about and do i need it?
http://myfwc.com/license/FreshwaterPermit_resident_fish_dealer.htm

the laws are vague (i think on purpose) and often times the clerk you talk to isn't very familiar with the subject (that's bureaucracy for ya'). apparently it's legal IF you can prove that your stock came from confiscated stock (or offspring of) that was sold to you by the original owner who would have to give you a copy of their permit and bill of sale.

example: if i bought babies from the philly zoo (who actually did get theirs from a confiscation), they would give me a copy of their permit and a bill of sale.

if you want to keep what you have, i suggest you get something in writing from f&w to protect yourself down the road. things get serious when you ask for it in writing!

posting scans of what you get from them would be helpful to other keepers as well. :headbang2

below is almost an exact duplicate of the conversation we are about to have, so this could save everyone some time. the key point i'm trying to make is that you will hear conflicting information, even from within the government (see the peoples experiences in the link). so, know the laws and interpret them at your own risk. the law, as it is written, suggests to me that they are illegal to own. however... it is very unlikely that any individual will ever be prosecuted for keeping them. but the possibility is there for those who f&w deem criminals. in other words; i'd keep a low profile and get your paperwork in order.
http://www.caudata.org/forum/f53-other-amphibians/f55-gymnophiona-caecilians/38284-t-natans.html <-this is not the same one i posted before
 
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