Can cichlids teach us anything about domestic violence?

[Keasarge]

Humans are governed by a set of morals and laws fish have neither they live with basic instinct breed or die out protect my mate or die out eat or die out ect humans are a lot more selective as we have more options our species will survive if some of us don't breed our young has a higher survival rate ect you can't compare the two

 

[TheRealAndyCook]

I believe Oscarum monstruoso was just make an extreamly open observation, or trying to troll... one or the other, many things can relate to each other if you spend enough time to come up with some backing...

personally I would prefer to stay out of this topic if it actually stays serious.

 

[TheRealAndyCook]

Humans are governed by a set of morals and laws fish have neither they live with basic instinct breed or die out protect my mate or die out eat or die out ect humans are a lot more selective as we have more options our species will survive if some of us don't breed our young has a higher survival rate ect you can't compare the two

I believe some may argue this. Have you ever watched a clown fish feed a sea anemone?

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I believe our fish friends deserve more credit then we give them.

 

[cichlid2006]

I believe some may argue this. Have you ever watched a clown fish feed a sea anemone?

I believe our fish friends deserve more credit then we give them.

That is awsome, I did not know they did that. I had always assumed the captive anemone got food from scraps that fall from the other fish feeding or had their own specific food injected into the current that flows at them.

 

[knifegill]

a set of morals

Morals are what you think other people should do.

Oscarum Monstrosum's original post makes it clear he makes no attempt to justify domestic violence. He has simply noticed a correlation between its functionality and the aggression of mating animals. It makes perfect sense and I don't understand why anybody would choose to offended by it. It's a conversation.

Yeah, I can easily imagine plenty of times my wife was fluttering around like a butterfly in front of a train and I had to grab her and calm her down. Almost every day, actually. But using physical strength to resolve a dangerous situation is not domestic violence at all. We've got to define domestic violence here. I would say:
Domestic Violence - The physical act of intentionally harming a person who lives in the same place as the aggressor, usually in response to anger or frustration.
So when you put your girl back in her car to protect her and her car, that was not domestic violence. You saw a potential for a lot of bad things to go down thanks to her not thinking and stepped above the emotion at hand to prevent theft or injury. Walking away is a fine strategy when you feel angry and cannot find the words to resolve the situation at the moment. I do the same thing.

To those who chose to be offended by the thread: get over yourselves and be brave enough to actually explore the question instead of parroting society's views.

So, yes. I see domestic violence as a remnant of behaviors that may have benefited mankind at some point in history. Not beneficial today.

 

[TheRealAndyCook]

That is awsome, I did not know they did that. I had always assumed the captive anemone got food from scraps that fall from the other fish feeding or had their own specific food injected into the current that flows at them.

do not mean to steal this thread, but its simply amazing. Im sure other fish do it but clowns seem to be the biggest stars on youtube...

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[Chaitika]

Domestic violence usually involves physical violence but ultimately it's about control. There's nothing about mating or primal instincts associated with it, imo.

 

[Keasarge]

I believe some may argue this. Have you ever watched a clown fish feed a sea anemone?

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I believe our fish friends deserve more credit then we give them.

I've seen it it's amazing if I had a spare tank and enough time die get a reef

Sure every animal can teach us something but it's not something we don't already know it's just something we chose not to practise. The clown was feeding the anemone not by chocie hut for it's own survival.

And knifegill I disagree morals are more your own inner set of 'guidelines' per say about how you treat others and what you do in situations you mention your wife in front of a train would you not feel morally boundd if it was a stranger to save them? A fish wouldn't save another male in any situation not many animals would it's what sets us apart
But i totally agree with you that using your strength in
a non violent way isn't abuse and your definitions of domestic violence

 

[koltsixx]

Morals are what you think other people should do.

Oscarum Monstrosum's original post makes it clear he makes no attempt to justify domestic violence. He has simply noticed a correlation between its functionality and the aggression of mating animals. It makes perfect sense and I don't understand why anybody would choose to offended by it. It's a conversation.

Yeah, I can easily imagine plenty of times my wife was fluttering around like a butterfly in front of a train and I had to grab her and calm her down. Almost every day, actually. But using physical strength to resolve a dangerous situation is not domestic violence at all. We've got to define domestic violence here. I would say:
Domestic Violence - The physical act of intentionally harming a person who lives in the same place as the aggressor, usually in response to anger or frustration.
So when you put your girl back in her car to protect her and her car, that was not domestic violence. You saw a potential for a lot of bad things to go down thanks to her not thinking and stepped above the emotion at hand to prevent theft or injury. Walking away is a fine strategy when you feel angry and cannot find the words to resolve the situation at the moment. I do the same thing.

To those who chose to be offended by the thread: get over yourselves and be brave enough to actually explore the question instead of parroting society's views.

So, yes. I see domestic violence as a remnant of behaviors that may have benefited mankind at some point in history. Not beneficial today.

Don't know if I'm one of the people your directing the why anyone would be offended comment at. Though you seem to be acting fairly aggressive in a thread were so far no one else has. I think many of us are wondering what the original poster really means. What is the point of this thread what point is he trying to relay or discuss. As for "parroting society's views" I personally don't do that. I genuinely feel domestic violence is disgusting and there is no excuse for it. I have 2 daughters since their birth I find the very thought of striking a woman well ummm unthinkable. As for there being a correlation between domestic violence and cichlid mating rituals there is none. Domestic violence is a result of someone using physical superiority to control another person. It's not instinct it actually based on complex feeling including inadequacies in the abuser. Cichlid mating rituals are based on the male showing the worth of his genetic make-up by overpowering his mate. It's a form of display for him to prove his worth to a potential mate. While domestic violence is just a sad emotionally weak person trying to exert control physically, because they are lacking in other ways. I'm not positive, but I don't think I've ever heard domestic violence being a prelude to sex. If it was a common place thing in a dysfunctional relationship like that, than maybe a correlation could be made. That's just my opinion though.

 

[TheRealAndyCook]

koltsix you have to understand that we are not the type of people to create domestic violence, so we do not relate to them. I'm sure you can imagine the type of macho guy that would feel the need to show "his worth to a potential mate" and in that aspect i actually think you showed it to me the most clear.

Tho i do think its a very strange and loosely based theory.