cross breeding.

[keepinfish]

If Evolution is just an opinion then so is whether or not your computer works or if there is such a thing as gravity, as the same body of science/reasoning and logic essentially produced both, but I see you using your computer and not falling UP when you trip!
LOL
however, that is a discussion that is frowned upon at MFK so maybe better not to go there in this thread

ONE THERE IS PROOF OF ONE THERE IS NOT.....AS SOME WOULD SAY..."YET"...LOL


OK...ok, BACK ON TRACK...

 

[DavidW]

They need to clean up their own back yard before blaming
the hobbyist trade.

Hence quotas and complete bans, as they try to understand what they have and what can be sustained. ( If by "they" you mean Brazil?...and of course then we would have to play our part in stopping habitat destruction by not buying the products produced, like hardwood furniture or gold jewelry etc)

 

[keepinfish]

Hence quotas and complete bans, as they try to understand what they have and what can be sustained. ( If by "they" you mean Brazil?...and of course then we would have to play our part in stopping habitat destruction by not buying the products produced, like hardwood furniture or gold jewelry etc)

and i doubt that will ever happen.

habitat destruction will continue for years to come.

 

[DavidW]

ONE THERE IS PROOF OF ONE THERE IS NOT.....AS SOME WOULD SAY..."YET"...LOL


OK...ok, BACK ON TRACK...

If by proof you mean 'overwhelming empirical evidence for the existence of' then there is proof for all 3,
computers, evolution and gravity.
I am not sure if I exist or not.

 

[DavidW]

habitat destruction will continue for years to come.

super sad but true, but then some of us will have the bitter satisfaction of saying " I told you this would happen" when it is all gone.

 

[ShadowStryder]

Hence quotas and complete bans, as they try to understand what they have and what can be sustained. ( If by "they" you mean Brazil?...and of course then we would have to play our part in stopping habitat destruction by not buying the products produced, like hardwood furniture or gold jewelry etc)

I agree there, but also with the deforestation for agriculture and the pollution
of waterways with the use of mercury for mining, the government has to stop those
exportations also or they will never be able to understand what they have
and have lost including undiscovered life, plant and animal. I know that demand drives
it but just because the demand is there they (government) have to intervene just as they
are in the hobbyist industry.

 

[DavidW]

but you see their Gov's problem when there is high demand for something and producing it creates employment which allows people to feed their families

 

[ShadowStryder]

but you see their Gov's problem when there is high demand for something and producing it creates employment which allows people to feed their families

Thus there in lies the problem with ALL countries, its called overpopulation.

You know what, We could always just start cloning them.

 

[DavidW]

Yes.
One of my Guru's, David Attenborough ( Life on Earth, Blue Planet etc) said a great quote recently:
" there is not a single problem on this planet that would not be made better by having less people or made worse by having more"

 

[T1KARMANN]

in a few more generations of some so called SP ray we wont even know the true blood lines of a ray

now when people breed motoro x leo we know the parents when a few of the pups are passed around and bred with other so called SP rays it will be very hard to tell what parents they come from

if you look on franks site under breeding section even retic and pearl have now been bred

lets face it we have problems now IDing some wild rays how will we be able to id some SP rays in a few years