Deputy shoots dog twice

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sidneymysnake;4794033; said:
You keep saying it like they found the girl in the yard - they didn't. If she had been in the yard common sense would have dictated that you would either hear the dog attacking the girl or in the very least barking at her.

You keep saying it like the individual would have sat down and camped in that specific yard.

I have never said once that they actually located the individual in the yard. I have just pointed out they had a legal right to be in the yard looking for the individual.

So following your logic, If I am persuing a suspect or victim that potentially ran through a yard with a dog in it, I would have to stop by persuit and go around to another yard just to avoid the dog....I don't think so.
 
IF the yard had a full fence inclosing it and the gate closed you need permission to inter the property the same as a house. At least thats how it is in some states. not sure on FL. I deal with police sometimes at the hospital and often we must ask a few questions when they bring in patents. I have even called a few my friends. BUT I will be more sympathetic for the polices point of view once I meet some with more brains than ego. Not saying that this is the case in said report but Ill give the owner the benefit of the doubt.
 
mqktandy;4794073; said:
IF the yard had a full fence inclosing it and the gate closed you need permission to inter the property the same as a house. At least thats how it is in some states. not sure on FL. I deal with police sometimes at the hospital and often we must ask a few questions when they bring in patents. I have even called a few my friends. BUT I will be more sympathetic for the polices point of view once I meet some with more brains than ego. Not saying that this is the case in said report but Ill give the owner the benefit of the doubt.

That only implies in an non emergency situation. They were responding to a violent call. Exigent circumstances existed which gave they the right to enter the yard, fence or no fence, open gate or closed gate. It doesn't matter.
 
08trdoffroad;4794028; said:
How many times do I have to point out that this was not an illegal search of the property regardless of how you try to skew it. The police had every legal right to be in that yard (see previous posts)

My main goal when I go to work every morning is to return to my family safely that night, in one piece...if that means I end up shooting a dog while carrying out my duties, so be it. If I allowed a person to get away or a victim go unaided just because an "innnocent dog" might get harmed, I would have violated the very laws I swore an oath to uphold.

As for the rest of your tempertantrum, If you want to lose your life or freedom over a dog, then that is your choice. No judge is going to buy the excuse, "But your honor, they shot my dog."

Unless the residence was the same one that the domestic violence call was made on then I would argue you were wrong. If my neighbor's house was called on for domestic violence I still have every right to refuse a search of my backyard for my own reasons(albiet that would be suspicious, but possibly nesscary), unless you get a search warrant. Now if it was, as you said the original report isn't very clear, the same residence that would not knock my arguement, it would simply mean they may have been in the backyard legally. And I would still find the actions to be inexcusable. As for your response to your safety I agree, if I was a cop no one is going to stop me from getting home if I can help it. What Im saying is for that dog to seem like a life threatening situation you need to seriously reconsider your job or go back and brush up training. Because either you were not exposed to animals enough to have understanding capable of carrying out your job or you simply overreacted. As for my reaction to the SWAT incedent your right, I would most likely would get time for such reactions. But in all honestly this is where personal values and laws clash. I love my dog more then a stranger policeman, and just because your carrying a badge I don't see the authority for you to shoot my dog. In raids more so then any other activity there is more planing to subdue, if subduing a dog in a manner that keeps his life intact is a stretch of police capability then we have problems. Im simply saying there is a place and time where thier reactions may be correct. But from what evidence we have I feel these circumstances where not worthy of the reaction given.
 
My main goal when I go to work every morning is to return to my family safely that night, in one piece.
Shooting my dog while trespassing is just about the best way to make sure that does not happen. I will make it my life's mission to cost you your badge AND your pension. Some more passionate individual will take your life instead. Just remeber there is no dog on this planet that will do more damage that a seriously pissed owner with even a high powered bolt action. You get that spray stuff which will stop cold most canine assailants.

It's one thing to kill a dog in raid. Same for a dog lose on the street, If my dog gets lose and starts menacing then it's my fault and the use of deadly force is unquestionably justified. They entered a yard which was fenced without probable cause as no one saw the women enter the yard (varies by department). When confronted by an animal that had every right to be there they used deadly force.
 
08trdoffroad;4793846; said:
So you are saying that they should have just let the suspect go just because there was a dog in the yard? Or a victim that is potentially injured and requiring assistance, but is hiding because they are afraid for their life, go unaided....

Just remember that if you ever need police assistance that would require them to go into someone elses yard..."There is no reason for the officer to be in that yard".....

Exactly, simple common sense dictates that. Can you imagine the story?

Woman mauled to death by dog while police search surrounding neighborhood.
Why were they too scared to enter yard with vicious dog?


Amazing all the cop haters there are. :screwy:
 
mqktandy;4794073; said:
IF the yard had a full fence inclosing it and the gate closed you need permission to inter the property the same as a house. At least thats how it is in some states. not sure on FL. I deal with police sometimes at the hospital and often we must ask a few questions when they bring in patents. I have even called a few my friends. BUT I will be more sympathetic for the polices point of view once I meet some with more brains than ego. Not saying that this is the case in said report but Ill give the owner the benefit of the doubt.

Remember the officers went to the front door first. So why did the owner not answer, she was in the house? Maybe if she got of her lazy butt and answered the door her dog would still be alive.
 
MadRussian79;4794134; said:
Shooting my dog while trespassing is just about the best way to make sure that does not happen. I will make it my life's mission to cost you your badge AND your pension. Some more passionate individual will take your life instead. Just remeber there is no dog on this planet that will do more damage that a seriously pissed owner with even a high powered bolt action. You get that spray stuff which will stop cold most canine assailants.

It's one thing to kill a dog in raid. Same for a dog lose on the street, If my dog gets lose and starts menacing then it's my fault and the use of deadly force is unquestionably justified. They entered a yard which was fenced without probable cause as no one saw the women enter the yard (varies by department). When confronted by an animal that had every right to be there they used deadly force.

Due to you obvious immaturity, your post isn't even worth more of a response than this...
 
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Bhack91;4794131; said:
Unless the residence was the same one that the domestic violence call was made on then I would argue you were wrong. If my neighbor's house was called on for domestic violence I still have every right to refuse a search of my backyard for my own reasons(albiet that would be suspicious, but possibly nesscary), unless you get a search warrant. Now if it was, as you said the original report isn't very clear, the same residence that would not knock my arguement, it would simply mean they may have been in the backyard legally. And I would still find the actions to be inexcusable. As for your response to your safety I agree, if I was a cop no one is going to stop me from getting home if I can help it. What Im saying is for that dog to seem like a life threatening situation you need to seriously reconsider your job or go back and brush up training. Because either you were not exposed to animals enough to have understanding capable of carrying out your job or you simply overreacted. As for my reaction to the SWAT incedent your right, I would most likely would get time for such reactions. But in all honestly this is where personal values and laws clash. I love my dog more then a stranger policeman, and just because your carrying a badge I don't see the authority for you to shoot my dog. In raids more so then any other activity there is more planing to subdue, if subduing a dog in a manner that keeps his life intact is a stretch of police capability then we have problems. Im simply saying there is a place and time where thier reactions may be correct. But from what evidence we have I feel these circumstances where not worthy of the reaction given.

It is irrelevant whose yard it was. The police had reason to believe the individual may or might have traveled through or been in the yard so they had a legal right/reason to enter the property, end of story. It false under the exigent circumstance exception to the law. We are beating a dead horse here...

Especially if it was in an attempt to local a fleeing suspect, but like I said earlier the story is not real clear on this aspect (along with a million others). And regardless who it was whether it was the suspect or victim is irrelevant.
 
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I'm actually kind of curious as to why the dog survived. It may very well indicate that the cops did shoot as an absolute last resort and really did not want to kill the dog. Alternatively they were just lousy shots or the dog was far away (which puts a big hole in their side of the events).

Maybe if she got of her lazy butt and answered the door her dog would still be alive.
Um the dog is alive. So before you jump on the cops side by default read the article. I agree that most cops are honest hard working individuals. Don't mean these guys were justified.
 
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