Discus tank conversion, bare bottom to planted

[DigThemLows]

Dude you just like doing things the hard way. This is a small tank that should have taken half the effort that you applied to it, to set it up. Why didn't you just spray paint the back lite blue and jet black, would have taken like 10 minutes. Why didn't you just add 75% water from another exisiting tank and then you could have added real fish right away. And yes the filter would have been started from the fish waste in the 75% of water from the exisiting tank - you were that worried about the filter you should have poured the fish waste water directly through the filter so that the filter aould held the bulk of the dirt. But you wanna do things as if you have never done them before, and you have no other tanks. What gets me is that you have exisiting tanks with fish waste in the tanks and filters, but yet you wanna use one of those Aquarium start up biological filter starter crap kits. WHY?
I just don't get it, you like reinventing wheel over and over again c'mon your not even making improvements your just reinventing over and over.

How do you figure that waste water is going to set up a brand new filter faster? There isn't any biological filtration going on in the water, it's in the substrate. Now if he transfered some of his media from another filter that would work. But to say that you can add fish right away if you use old water is not true at all.

 

[Loulou]

How do you figure that waste water is going to set up a brand new filter faster? There isn't any biological filtration going on in the water, it's in the substrate. Now if he transfered some of his media from another filter that would work. But to say that you can add fish right away if you use old water is not true at all.

This is going to be interesting...

 

[Yanbbrox]

This is going to be interesting...

As this is the planted tank thread I posted my reply in the new tank thread.

Nevermind it could prove spectacular entertainment later

 

[Tequila]

How do you figure that waste water is going to set up a brand new filter faster? There isn't any biological filtration going on in the water, it's in the substrate. Now if he transfered some of his media from another filter that would work. But to say that you can add fish right away if you use old water is not true at all.

What your saying or interpreting is only true if the person only siphoned the water from the top or mid area of the tanks water, and was catching some of the free floating fish waste, Yes this would be basically a total waste, no pun intended, but that's not what I was saying at all.

Obvouisly you haven't read far enough back as I originally suggested that! I originally told him that, and he reasponded that they where two different size filters and that the media from one would not fit the other. So I then suggested that if he siphoned water from one tank to the other, that it would achive the same results, which is true. See below:

Siphoning the water from the exisiting tank as he would during a water change and adding it to the new tank and filter. Most people that I know of that know something about keeping fish. Siphon water from their tanks from the bottom of the tank, close to the substrate - if not vacumming the substrate. This process would then tranfers Biological matter, Waste matter and Anerobic bactria matter to the new tank and it's filter. (Unless of cause they have a BUBB, and then there wouldn't be any Biological or Anerobic matter too transfer).

Sorry for such a quick reply, but I don't have the time to fully go into this now. Maybe another time.

 

[Yanbbrox]

What your saying or interpreting is only true if the person only siphoned the water from the top or mid area of the tanks water, and was catching some of the free floating fish waste, Yes this would be basically a total waste, no pun intended, but that's not what I was saying at all.

Obvouisly you haven't read far enough back as I originally suggested that! I originally told him that, and he reasponded that they where two different size filters and that the media from one would not fit the other. So I then suggested that if he siphoned water from one tank to the other, that it would achive the same results, which is true. See below:

Siphoning the water from the exisiting tank as he would during a water change and adding it to the new tank and filter. Most people that I know of that know something about keeping fish. Siphon water from their tanks from the bottom of the tank, close to the substrate - if not vacumming the substrate. This process would then tranfers Biological matter, Waste matter and Anerobic bactria matter to the new tank and it's filter. (Unless of cause they have a BUBB, and then there wouldn't be any Biological or Anerobic matter too transfer).

Sorry for such a quick reply, but I don't have the time to fully go into this now. Maybe another time.

Not wanting to fuel the fire so to speak, but again the best course of action would have been to remove used tank water and filter media to the new tank but filter media size was not the same hence why I went with this method.

I have no BUBB anymore, your help and guidance helped me change the discus tank, which I have thanked you for many times, from this you and lou's nagging so to speak helped me convert the large one back to substrate on the big tank, at no cost as I had it anyway, and I never had plans to go bare bottom with the new one, I always wanted a river tank setup
Anyone else remember the good old days where we all got along

 

[DigThemLows]

hehe..........this thread is too insane to read all the way through, the colored text scares me! To suggest that anywhere within the water column is enough "free floating" bacteria to suck up, and attach to new filter media is beyond anything I've ever heard of. You might accelerate the process, the same way squeezing an established sponge over a new one, but neither process will let you immediately throw in a bunch of fish without having a huge ammonia spike.......Waste matter only feeds bacteria, but if you don't have established colonies then why fill your new tank with waste?? You'd be better off getting pure ammonia from the store and feeding the bacteria that way.........And I'm not disputing that you know about fish keeping....I've been doing it for a long time too......I would hate to see someone read this thread, siphon up 75% of their water from one tank and drop a bunch of discus into a new tank that will not even be close to cycled............

 

[Yanbbrox]

hehe..........this thread is too insane to read all the way through, the colored text scares me! To suggest that anywhere within the water column is enough "free floating" bacteria to suck up, and attach to new filter media is beyond anything I've ever heard of. You might accelerate the process, the same way squeezing an established sponge over a new one, but neither process will let you immediately throw in a bunch of fish without having a huge ammonia spike.......Waste matter only feeds bacteria, but if you don't have established colonies then why fill your new tank with waste?? You'd be better off getting pure ammonia from the store and feeding the bacteria that way.........And I'm not disputing that you know about fish keeping....I've been doing it for a long time too......I would hate to see someone read this thread, siphon up 75% of their water from one tank and drop a bunch of discus into a new tank that will not even be close to cycled............

Guys, seriously this has nothing to do with the planted tank, If you want to comment on the cycling thing please carry on here:
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138123&page=6

This is the tank that is in question, by all means go for it with your comments but the discus tank is fine, I just want to post the odd update on the plants

 

[Yanbbrox]

Well, the new plants have not yet arrived but we've had the casualty since the conversion. Remember a while back when we got the 2 small ones, well I got up this morning and the pigeon blood was dead, odd as it was fine and feeding the night before. This sort of thing seem to happen for no reason will me and pigeon bloods.

As the tank has been planted for a couple of months now and I've not changed the way I do water changes/fertz/feeding etc. there is know way in my mind that the conversion/plants had anything to do with the loss, just one of those things. I've just done a water change a day earlier than normal due to the loss.

I'll post some updated pictures once the new plants have arrived and settled in

 

[Tequila]

the colored text scares me!

Not only you, me too. But it would seem that someone no names mentioned Yanbbrox can't see in normal grey or black type, because he uses the darker setting in this forum and not the normal one thats easy on ones eyes.
So he requested that I type in a color that he can see.

 

[Loulou]

Not only you, me too. But it would seem that someone no names mentioned Yanbbrox can't see in normal grey or black type, because he uses the darker setting in this forum and not the normal one thats easy on ones eyes.
So he requested that I type in a color that he can see.

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I use the darker settings too and when you use the colour above, I have to highlight the text to see what you have written.

Anyway, I've chosen a specific colour to write all my posts and I change only in very specific occasions, e.g to highlight a word or a phrase. Else, I stick to the same colour.

I am aware that others don't have to be like me and stick to one colour only, but I wish that they would at least use colours that can be seen on whatever theme the reader has chosen to put on.
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