you did not have a small tank {hospital tank} then you wouldn't have to treat the healthy one.. is there anyone else in this tank..
EBJD bloat? (video)
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Yeah I'm afraid I don't have a quarantine/hospital tank.
Other tank mates are 5 common silver dollars, 6 red hook silver dollars, EBJD, and 4 carnivorous fancy plecos.
Other tank mates are 5 common silver dollars, 6 red hook silver dollars, EBJD, and 4 carnivorous fancy plecos.
well i hope they can all take this treatment okay... i will check on the plecos .. that one i am not sure about.BPags52;3487096; said:
Yeah I've heard plecos don't like the salt treatments, i've been watching them though and haven't seen anything out of the norm.
BPags52;3487216; said:Yeah I've heard plecos don't like the salt treatBefore going straight into salt doses I will outline the essential information you need to know before using salt, also please bear in mind no responsibilitly is liable by the owners of World cichlids
1. Use only pure salt without any other ingrediants, most normal table salt contains anti-caking agents that can harm fish. It is very important to read the labels for these ingrediants, basicly all the label should say is "SALT" and nothing else.You can use aquarium salt from a pet shop but it is normally high in cost compared to salt purchased from a grocery store. This form of salt is labeled in various ways around the world, some forms of labled "cooking salt" is pure salt, along with rock salt,kosher salt,sea salt,pure salt etc etc.
2.Salt wont evaporate and does "not" lose concentration over time if water is "not" changed. If the tank loses water due to evaporation the "amount" of salt in the tank is the same, just in less water making the concentration level itself higher(if this happens in big amounts then its best to top up the water level inbetween water changes without adding anymore salt). Basicly to lessen the concentration of salt you have to actually physically do water changes.
EG. Say your 210 litre/55gallon tank is dosed at 1 table spoon of salt per 20litres/5gallons and you do a "physical" water change of 40litres/10gallons then you only need to add two table spoons of salt to top the concentration levels up.
3. Salt should never be added directly to the tank, you should disolve it in a bucket of water(prefferably water taken from the tank). Salt that is added directly can burn and cause irritation to the fish.
4. Whilst salt is tollerated well compared to other medicines use with caution on scaless fish like plecos. However IMO salt at "medicinal" levels and dosed "correctly" is relativitly safe to use with plecos after talking to many people over the years but I guess its purely personal choice. So the warning is there
5. Salt in general has benifits allround from cureing ich,healing wounds,clearing cloudy eye to lessing the stress levels on a tank going through a cycle.
6. Ok finally the doses.
preventative dose I reccomend 1 tablespoon per 40litres/10gallons and topping up each water change(keeping a diary helps to keep track) Preventaive doses are purely personal choice that I practice to keep illness at bay. Not everyone agrees with this and that is their choice but I having been doing this for years now and very little trouble with my fish.
For curing illnesses like ich and most other stuff "in" the tank the dose is 1 table spoon per 20litres/5gallons.
If you choose to do salt baths "out" of the tank in a bucket then the dose is usually 10 grams per litre, gradually added and time is normally 30 minutes.(unless the fish starts showing severe forms of stress)
Epsom salts
The use of epsom salts rules are basicly the same as normal salt as far as safty is concerned.
Epsom salts are really good as a laxative and can be of benifit to illnesses like dropsy,bloat,compaction,constipation and other insteninal probs.
The usual dose "in" the tank is 1 table spoon per 40litres/10gallons. Epsom salt baths can be of a benifit too but be carefull as the dose is high but the time spent in the bath is short. usually 70grams per litre(2 pints) for 5 minutes max, if your uncomfortable with these levels then follow the normal salt dose(10 grams per litre for 30 minutes)
Those measurements using Epsom Salt in amounts of water are in U.S. Gallons.
This often works and is sure worth a try. As you have no other large tank to
isolate either the Oscar or the Pleco, you may try the treatment in your 70
Imperial Gallon (84 U.S, Gallon) tank, starting out at half-strength (1 Tbp. per
10 U.S, Gallons). Reports I've read indicate that Plecos will be fine at 1 Tbs.
(Tablespoon) of Epsom Salt per 5 U.S. gallons (and even more), but it's always
easier on any fish when introducing a foreign substance to graduate it in
increments over time.
>i just found this info with the pleco mentioned..
After this and that info ... looking high and low about the plecos.. i found that it should not bother them... not written in stone.. but so far that is what i read on net.
This often works and is sure worth a try. As you have no other large tank to
isolate either the Oscar or the Pleco, you may try the treatment in your 70
Imperial Gallon (84 U.S, Gallon) tank, starting out at half-strength (1 Tbp. per
10 U.S, Gallons). Reports I've read indicate that Plecos will be fine at 1 Tbs.
(Tablespoon) of Epsom Salt per 5 U.S. gallons (and even more), but it's always
easier on any fish when introducing a foreign substance to graduate it in
increments over time.
>i just found this info with the pleco mentioned..
Sometimes this is a simple case of constipation or bloat. If it’s just
constipation
you can easily cure it by using Epsom Salt. Do not
confuse Epsom salt with aquarium salt. Epsom salt (Magnesium
Sulfate) is sold in most grocery or drug stores and is used by people
as a foot soak or laxative. At the first sign of trouble add 1 or 2 tablespoons
Epsom salt per 10 gallons directly to the aquarium. It will
not hurt the other fish or the bio-filter. Generally bloated discus will
recover within about four hours.
confuse Epsom salt with aquarium salt. Epsom salt (Magnesium
Sulfate) is sold in most grocery or drug stores and is used by people
as a foot soak or laxative. At the first sign of trouble add 1 or 2 tablespoons
Epsom salt per 10 gallons directly to the aquarium. It will
not hurt the other fish or the bio-filter. Generally bloated discus will
recover within about four hours.
After this and that info ... looking high and low about the plecos.. i found that it should not bother them... not written in stone.. but so far that is what i read on net.
Ok thanks a lot for that info Liz, really does help.
I don't think its eaten since about Wednesday...should I wait until the bloat goes away before trying to get it to feed at all? Or would it be a good idea to try to get it to eat a small bit of food after however long?
I don't think its eaten since about Wednesday...should I wait until the bloat goes away before trying to get it to feed at all? Or would it be a good idea to try to get it to eat a small bit of food after however long?
according to Oddballs stickie ... you should not feed it for days.. until stomach goes down..i quess you can try to feed the others .. i doubt if that one wants to eat right now anyway.. one thing i did learn .. is that next time{hope there never is a next time} instead of treating the whole tank .. you can give the affected fish salt baths in a bucket.. leave in the epsom salt for 30 mins .. doing this several times. just a thought anyway.. but your best bet is to get a little 15gal tank.. use the water from the regular tank to fill it.. and get a little filter and air stone.. and treat just the one fish...odd balls words..5. Leave for 3 days and do not feed.BPags52;3487293; said:
Honestly I'd be scared of stresssing it too much by moving it now, or I'd try the salt bath thing. and yeah i hope theres not a next time too lol, but i'll keep this in mind.
ok I'll hold off trying to get it to eat. I doubt it has an appetite now either. While its been spending the majority of its time lately on the opposite end of the tank where I feed them, I've been dropping in a tiny amount of NLS for the other EBJD to eat. and the constipated EBJD hasn't come over to feed.
and as I was typing this the constipated one just came over to the feeding area, but it just seems to be hanging out with the other EBJD and not interested in food (which I don't think any is there anyway...but there was a lil NLS 10 mins ago).
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ok I'll hold off trying to get it to eat. I doubt it has an appetite now either. While its been spending the majority of its time lately on the opposite end of the tank where I feed them, I've been dropping in a tiny amount of NLS for the other EBJD to eat. and the constipated EBJD hasn't come over to feed.
and as I was typing this the constipated one just came over to the feeding area, but it just seems to be hanging out with the other EBJD and not interested in food (which I don't think any is there anyway...but there was a lil NLS 10 mins ago).
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They are so beautiful... i am happy to see the one with the tummy acke still came over to join the other one.. i wish you the best.. all you can do is water changes and the salt and wait it out..
