Ethics in fishkeeping

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What gets me is why do people think their fish or tanks are special? Like those guys who like to overstock their tank with "rare" fish all to gain admirers. And the only reason they do it is cause sadly, they do have a small group of admirers. And those same people stock their tanks the same exact way. And they all believe like they are some fishkeeping elite that everyone in the fishkeeping world wishes they can be. What they don't realize is that everyone outside their little buddy group doesn't care about their fish or tanks. They also don't realize that a lot of people here have enough money to buy big tanks and rare fish if they wanted to, but they just don't wish to do so. So they need to tone down their egos and realize they aren't special like they think they are.
 
hulk181 said:
I think saying you need a 4 ft. wide tank for an aro is going too far. I'd say only 1% of people on MFK have 4 ft wide tanks that would be the bare minimum for you. And people with that wide of a tank don't even want to keep silver aros because they're too common. So no one should keep silver aros then according to that reasoning (except for the people with 5,000 square foot homes and 1,000 gallon fish tanks).

I think you're confusing maximum size with average size. Some silver aros can reach 4 ft long in the wild and some members here have got them up to 3 ft, but that does not mean that every aro is going to reach that size even with good conditions. I've seen lots of people keep aros in 240 and 300 g tanks and their fish have been alive and healthy for 10+ years.

aldiaz, I saw your thread about your 770 G tank. You stocked it with mostly small schooling fish right? I would rather have big fish. I think some people take understocking to the extreme and then try to flame guys with moderately overstocked tanks or "only" 240g tanks for fish like aros. At some point, you're so understocked that it becomes less of an enjoyable tank than a slightly overstocked one. You can have big fish in a less than ideal sized tank as long as you have enough bio, water conditions are good and room is adequate. Somebody else compared it to living in mansions and I think that applies here. Fish don't need mansion sized tanks to be happy and healthy.
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Now I agree with you that 4 is a little big but just putting this out there my uncle kept two large silver aros in a 40 gallon tall for over 7 years I don't know how he did it if it was up to me I would of saved them but I had no monster tanks at the time

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For aros, 240/300 is good enough for silver/blacks. 180 is good for a jardini, but that fish will be the only one there; where as with adequate filtration, one can keep other fish with silvers.


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There is a reason i stick to only native fish keeping. people seem to care more about their fish. Not only do i catch my own fish (None of the fish i have ever owned have been farmed or store bought) I also strive to make my tank look as natural to them as possible. It is full of SAND YES A SUBSTRATE, rocks and lots of live plants. Once people stop caring about the rights of the fish they start to over stock them, collect monster fish, and put them in tanks with no rocks substrate plants or anything, just more monster fish that are bored as hell probably.
 
Yes exactly but alot of the reason people dont have substrates because they think its better for the water and easier to clean the waste up. I get lectured all the time from older gentleman at the local fish club that substrate is very important for a tank. so much bacteria grows in it and it helps with the ammonia nitrate and nitrite, not only that but every single fish in the world has a substrate in its native body of water. I think aquariums recreate natural environments and arent supposed to be empty holding cells. It seems to me that people with bare bottom tanks often overstock their tanks and have absolutely nothing in them. I'm glad some people have barebottom tanks and put wood and rocks in it, but the completely empty tanks are just plain boring and im sure the fish must be horribly bored.
 
aldiaz33 said:
You are right. I should have said you try to keep huge growing fish. The smaller ones tend to die before they even have a chance to put on any size. The one's that you buy large don't seem to fare too well. You are the posterboy for how not to keep fish. I'm sure Wes loves you...you are putting his kids through college with all the fish you buy, kill, then buy more to replace those you have killed. Your tanks are a revolving door.

We are talking about the ethics of fish keeping. What were you going to do with 3 Bumblebee Grouper (Epinephelus lanceolatus)? I guess we'll never know what you had in store for a fish that grows 6' long and weighs several hundred lbs because you killed all 3 before they even hit 6". But you are the better fish keeper because you spend more money than me on fish and post your little "guess what's in the bucket" threads every other day?

The results speak for themselves.

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The usual answer... I'm not surprise! You called me "boy," claimed that I'm "king of craming big fish into small tank,' but when was asked to show which big fish was crammed into small tank, you changed the subject. I haven't claim I'm better fish keeper, or put other down. I'm not that insecure person, Al D-az! Now, let's try again! Care to show which big fish was crammed into small tank?
 
Pyramid_Party said:
What gets me is why do people think their fish or tanks are special? Like those guys who like to overstock their tank with "rare" fish all to gain admirers. And the only reason they do it is cause sadly, they do have a small group of admirers. And those same people stock their tanks the same exact way. And they all believe like they are some fishkeeping elite that everyone in the fishkeeping world wishes they can be. What they don't realize is that everyone outside their little buddy group doesn't care about their fish or tanks. They also don't realize that a lot of people here have enough money to buy big tanks and rare fish if they wanted to, but they just don't wish to do so. So they need to tone down their egos and realize they aren't special like they think they are.
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It only gets you, because that what's in your head. They don't think their fish or tanks are special, or do it to gain admirers. They don't think they're special, or some fishkeeping elite. You think all of those. You are one of those people who sees someone's tank or fish and the only thing you can think of is money, and develop all kind of wild idea in your head. This is a fish forum, so I go here to post fish, talk about fish, learn fish keeping. I'm not worry about other's money or what they do with their money here. I'm sure there're some other forums out there for that kind of talk, but here, it's all about fish to me. You don't like that, it's your problem. Not so long ago, you thought people with big tank need Python to do water change. That's how much you know about fish keeping.
 
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