Explain to me why Pythons shouldn't be banned?

[Bighurt]

Pb are banned here in Miami . There is actually a town here . Its a nice well to do old money type town called Coral Gables where its illegal to have snakes period.

Granted no one is going to storm your house looking for snakes but its on the books and the town has banned them.
Turtles ,etc are fine but no snakes .

It's fairly common, surprisingly in this day and age snakes are still associated with devil worship, regardless if the person is or is not. The negative personal follows ultimately follows. Funny how a literary work has followed suit for such a length of time that the negative stereotypes as followed.

I find society irritating and hilarious at the same time, I also think prostitution should be legal and they should tax the hell out of it. But that's drastically off topic...

The point I was trying at was there is still a primordial fear of snakes and reptiles in general, whether behavioral or learned it is still a huge factor in the legal issues. Sad as there is so much to be learned from many species, and enjoyment as well. Lastly Reptiles like Fish are Hypo-allergenic... I don't see them banning cats cause 25% of the nation is allergic... But 17 constrictors in the past decade have killed kids and they are the problem...Again its the parents fault not the animals.

 

[Louie]

It's fairly common, surprisingly in this day and age snakes are still associated with devil worship, regardless if the person is or is not. The negative personal follows ultimately follows. Funny how a literary work has followed suit for such a length of time that the negative stereotypes as followed.

I find society irritating and hilarious at the same time, I also think prostitution should be legal and they should tax the hell out of it. But that's drastically off topic...

The point I was trying at was there is still a primordial fear of snakes and reptiles in general, whether behavioral or learned it is still a huge factor in the legal issues. Sad as there is so much to be learned from many species, and enjoyment as well. Lastly Reptiles like Fish are Hypo-allergenic... I don't see them banning cats cause 25% of the nation is allergic... But 17 constrictors in the past decade have killed kids and they are the problem...Again its the parents fault not the animals.

"primordial fear of snakes and reptiles in general, "

This is exactly why snakes are banned in Coral Gables .Small monkeys and other exotics you can have.
The law includes ALL snakes regardless of size. Ironic law due to the amount of garter-water- ringneck- rat snakes,etc that they have native in that town.
I was suprised a particular town even with all the rich stuffy fuddy duddies could ban simply snakes.

 

[Louie]

Honestly, I would not care if Anacondas, Retics, Burmese and other "Giant" snakes were banned. A lot of these snakes are doomed to live short, painful lives because their buyers (Notice I said Buyer, not keeper) like them as cute little babies, try to breed them to make some quick $$ and end up getting rid of them.
I witnessed first hand the travesty of selling baby Burms and unfortunately, none of those snakes lived long enough to attain full size.
I'm happy they are now illegal in NY.

I didnt know they were now illegal in NY . I remember yrs back a building in the city had pipes backed up due to an escaped python or boa that escaped and imagine went down via toilet.
They had to tear up the pipes in the basement or some major construction due to it.

Think that started the ban?

 

[varanio]

Simple fact that any ban places restrictions on a persons right and freedom of choice. If you want to control what people have and what people acquire, mandate licensing or permits for the keeping of certain animals.

Why people get on a band wagon is beyond me but its more commonly than not a witch or snipe hunt. There is no goal other than to apse a few individuals.


Across the US there are a great number of communities that have placed a ban on Pit Bull. A Pit Bull isn't even recognized worldwide as a breed of dog, yet because a handful of irresponsible owners ruined the name its banned. When it comes to dog attacks and bites the German Shepard and Rottweilers far exceed the Pit Bull.


I digress, the point is that the banning of reptiles or non native species is similar to the gun ban. If Guns kill people, pencils mis-spell words. A mother
who leaves a baby unattended in a room with a 17' Reticulated python, is a unfit mother not a victim of circumstance.

As a people we should be getting rid of idiots not writing laws to protect them. To keep automatic firearms you need a class 3 license, a fair penny to acquire. Do the same for dangerous animals, if a person is willing to spend the dough they'll shell out the cash. Hell its not like this country couldn't use the extra revenue.

As a keeper and fatehr of three the room and the cages are locked, and they have the understanding to look and not touch. On top of it all nothing is
considered deadly, dangerous maybe but not deadly.

So no I don't think their should be a ban, but I don't think the pet trade should be uncontrolled either. BTW the non native species act, was going to ban more than just reptiles, all Non-Native species...that's a ton people, North America is a desolate place in regards to where our pets came from

Best of Luck with the flame war...

Bravo I competely agree with all of what was said here!

 

[varanio]

Most fish don't live as long as ball pythons?
Also fish are exposed to disease as most tanks have multiple fish in them as time goes on. Not to mention they live in water that needs to be maintained in a specific way. You could throw in a f/t rodent once a week for months and even just top off the water. Waste would accumulate but that would be the main issue. You couldn't neglect water changes that long without harsher consequences.

Ball Pythons that cost 29.99 are not going to be cb. They will be farm hatched parasite infested (external/internal). So in theory you couldnt just throw mice in and top off on water, and it live happily ever after or even a few months.

They come in extremely dehydrated and weak, at the importers they throw them away before they infect the others that come in the shipment. I have seen first hand, its sad, but thats reality in numbers!

 

[varanio]

i agree.... to an extent. iv had some of the most useful information from my reptile shop and just been passed over snakes with no question from breeders.

but there r few shops over here that sell snakes unless they r rep shops (not saying they r ALL good shops lol but they tend to just keep reps)

plus...just to add my bit lol
im hoping they wont ban ur side lol coz means we wont get the amazing new retics being bought out

There are exceptions to every rule, lets not knit pick at specifics we are talking about generalities here.

 

[varanio]

Honestly, I would not care if Anacondas, Retics, Burmese and other "Giant" snakes were banned. A lot of these snakes are doomed to live short, painful lives because their buyers (Notice I said Buyer, not keeper) like them as cute little babies, try to breed them to make some quick $$ and end up getting rid of them.
I witnessed first hand the travesty of selling baby Burms and unfortunately, none of those snakes lived long enough to attain full size.
I'm happy they are now illegal in NY.

I couldnt agree with you more on this, and I am a full advocate that these larger species including; varanids crocodilians dont belong in the public hand. The public hand is just TOO VAST. Any one kid or even an uninformed adult can be impulsive and throw 100 clams on baby retic or water monitor, and not know the potentials.

These animals get huge! They require large enclosures, they require huge food items, heating these large cages is a pain in the arse....cleaning after them is also a pain. You get bit once and its a trip to the ER, what are the freakin benefits here people?

Instead of buying a WC on a whim why cant you save another 100 bucks and get your self a nice childrens python, or even a ball python (cb of course). Its the same great taboo in a small size. This is a big reason why I got out of keeping large varanids, species that get 6 feet and up.

I am having a blast with the little to mid size guys and I get the same satisfaction as I did when I kept the biguns. I would love to see just the large species banned, but the fact of the matter is legislators dont educate themselves on this subject, and if they did there would be better provisions and better literature as to the structure of the PARTIAL ban, so because theyre too busy thinking about getting rich off of the insurance and pharmaceutical and oil companies, they just make an all out ban.............if this happens expect the fish to be next. Then there will be more MFK point blank!

 

[LRM]

If their intrinsic value as pets means nothing then how about the fact that banning large pythons and boas from the country would be a devastating blow to a billion dollar industry and would only open the door for stricter legislation in the future?

 

[instantthc]

Just like fish keepers we have retards. i would love to have a snakefish but idiots put them in the rivers once they ate to much or outgrew there tank. I know personally that the same thing happens with snakes. my great grandfather lived in florida when local pets started to go missing. then a week later they found a 27' python a few blocks away. Stupid people caused this. don't blame the animal

 

[jason longboard]

Imagine how many Red Tail Boas and normal sized pythons are kept as pets world wide, I wonder how you could get the numbers. Varanio, I rspect your point of view on only certain ppl maybe having the largest ones, but as you know we are all different and like you saying you are just as happy with your smaller monitors and such, I am happy with my smaller herps, but Im absolutely drawn to the larger ones at least like Boas and blood pythons,even dwarf retics, its just an entire dif ball game and they can really feel more like a pet sometimes,hard to explain I guess. Anyways,just how I felt about that.Just keep in mind that you dont have them to get attatched to, I bet if I had big enclosures for the large monitors and kept them for some time to find out they would be illegal I would be very upset.