Explain to me why Pythons shouldn't be banned?
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Whoops you sure did,but I see your point with the Everglades situation though.Brooklynella;3722568; said:
Simple fact that any ban places restrictions on a persons right and freedom of choice. If you want to control what people have and what people acquire, mandate licensing or permits for the keeping of certain animals.
Why people get on a band wagon is beyond me but its more commonly than not a witch or snipe hunt. There is no goal other than to apse a few individuals.
Across the US there are a great number of communities that have placed a ban on Pit Bull. A Pit Bull isn't even recognized worldwide as a breed of dog, yet because a handful of irresponsible owners ruined the name its banned. When it comes to dog attacks and bites the German Shepard and Rottweilers far exceed the Pit Bull.
I digress, the point is that the banning of reptiles or non native species is similar to the gun ban. If Guns kill people, pencils mis-spell words. A mother who leaves a baby unattended in a room with a 17' Reticulated python, is a unfit mother not a victim of circumstance.
As a people we should be getting rid of idiots not writing laws to protect them. To keep automatic firearms you need a class 3 license, a fair penny to acquire. Do the same for dangerous animals, if a person is willing to spend the dough they'll shell out the cash. Hell its not like this country couldn't use the extra revenue.
As a keeper and fatehr of three the room and the cages are locked, and they have the understanding to look and not touch. On top of it all nothing is considered deadly, dangerous maybe but not deadly.
So no I don't think their should be a ban, but I don't think the pet trade should be uncontrolled either. BTW the non native species act, was going to ban more than just reptiles, all Non-Native species...that's a ton people, North America is a desolate place in regards to where our pets came from.
Best of Luck with the flame war...
Why people get on a band wagon is beyond me but its more commonly than not a witch or snipe hunt. There is no goal other than to apse a few individuals.
Across the US there are a great number of communities that have placed a ban on Pit Bull. A Pit Bull isn't even recognized worldwide as a breed of dog, yet because a handful of irresponsible owners ruined the name its banned. When it comes to dog attacks and bites the German Shepard and Rottweilers far exceed the Pit Bull.
I digress, the point is that the banning of reptiles or non native species is similar to the gun ban. If Guns kill people, pencils mis-spell words. A mother who leaves a baby unattended in a room with a 17' Reticulated python, is a unfit mother not a victim of circumstance.
As a people we should be getting rid of idiots not writing laws to protect them. To keep automatic firearms you need a class 3 license, a fair penny to acquire. Do the same for dangerous animals, if a person is willing to spend the dough they'll shell out the cash. Hell its not like this country couldn't use the extra revenue.
As a keeper and fatehr of three the room and the cages are locked, and they have the understanding to look and not touch. On top of it all nothing is considered deadly, dangerous maybe but not deadly.
So no I don't think their should be a ban, but I don't think the pet trade should be uncontrolled either. BTW the non native species act, was going to ban more than just reptiles, all Non-Native species...that's a ton people, North America is a desolate place in regards to where our pets came from.
Best of Luck with the flame war...
krichardson;3722562; said:
Most fish don't live as long as ball pythons?
Also fish are exposed to disease as most tanks have multiple fish in them as time goes on. Not to mention they live in water that needs to be maintained in a specific way. You could throw in a f/t rodent once a week for months and even just top off the water. Waste would accumulate but that would be the main issue. You couldn't neglect water changes that long without harsher consequences.
Brooklynella;3721611; said:Or most reptiles anyway?
Other than "We like them" and "We want to keep them as pets", can someone educate me why Pythons (And other large and/or venomous snakes for that matter) shouldn't be banned?
Irresponsible keepers have put their best foot forward and sprinkled negativety towards the hobby with the occassional child death and Burmese Pythons invading the Everglades.Plus, large scale breeders are pumping out species to keep up with the demand of those supermarket-style pet chains. I do not believe many $29.99 Ball Pythons will live to see their 10th birthday.
Let's hear it.
I agree as far as most will live to see their 10th Bday if even a 5th Bday .
Everything you stated is true but all of it could have EASILY been avoided if Florida had enforced its own python laws which required micro chips, registration , Sellers must have snake micro chipped BEFORE selling and notify state of buyer and few other rules which make it a bit of a pain to sell pythons but keep them legal.
I also think you have to be 21 to buy one (NEVER EVER enforced).
Funny thing is in Long Island NY they enforce it while here where they should due to temps but they don't.
Good thing it raises the cost of a python alot which curtails that goldfish syndrome.
Problem is the state didn't enforce any of it and to this day pythons being sold to kids , non micro chipped,etc as just saw few in pet store few days ago for $35.
While back there was the python hysteria and laws were enforced for couple weeks but now back to not enforcing a thing.
I don't feel they should be banned as truly no need for it if the law is enforced and those selling them w/o micro chips,registration are fined till they bleed internally.
Let the responcible owners keep them .
Honestly, I would not care if Anacondas, Retics, Burmese and other "Giant" snakes were banned. A lot of these snakes are doomed to live short, painful lives because their buyers (Notice I said Buyer, not keeper) like them as cute little babies, try to breed them to make some quick $$ and end up getting rid of them.
I witnessed first hand the travesty of selling baby Burms and unfortunately, none of those snakes lived long enough to attain full size.
I'm happy they are now illegal in NY.
I witnessed first hand the travesty of selling baby Burms and unfortunately, none of those snakes lived long enough to attain full size.
I'm happy they are now illegal in NY.
Bighurt;3722678; said:
Pb are banned here in Miami . There is actually a town here . Its a nice well to do old money type town called Coral Gables where its illegal to have snakes period.
Granted no one is going to storm your house looking for snakes but its on the books and the town has banned them.
Turtles ,etc are fine but no snakes .
"CORAL GABLES | Newcomers to this resolutely lush and lovely city would do well to peruse its "Citizen's Guide to Code Enforcement" before settling in. They will find that pet snakes are forbidden, houses must be painted a city-approved hue and residents cannot so much as screen in their pools without permits."
http://www.theledger.com/article/20...ruck-Owner-Objects-to-Definition-of-Beautiful
Superlaz;3721841; said:
"What they need to do, is as mentioned, ENFORCE the current laws."
I agree I find this state deplorable when it comes to enforcing current laws thus allowing things to escalate and than screaming "BAN IT".
The current law isn't bad at all. The initial price of the python isn't cheap which I think is great and you pay a $100 registration fee that in the contract states will never be more than that per yr.
That in itself will deter many yet responcible adults arent punished . They were enforcing laws for awhile but as usual which I find to be the norm here they stopped .
