well, no change, I held him up for a while , he definently prefers to layover to one side, wouldnt eat did try to swim a bit but wil quickly flip over when let go of, funny part is he still wants to bite at me when I shake my head at him , so he still seems to have his sense of humor, I am seeing a bit of discolored poo , a little stringy, his mate is perfectly fine though, amazingly gentle with him considering how they bicker back and forth, I added some salt a water change I guess as long as his condition doesnt get any worse I,ll leave him be