Fish creation vs. Fish evolution?

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Vitaliy said:
Not taking numbers literally is complete news to me, I have never heard of such a thing. But for the sake of the argument you are basically stating that some information in the Bible is not correct/true, then what else is false? I am more than sure that just about every religious figure disagrees with your claim.

This is another popular thing people tend to do, they take the religion and they adjust it to their lifestyle versus following the teachings. The Bible went from being the book about God to bunch of symbolic stories to teach us things, again, this is not how it works – the Church takes the book in a literal sense and that is what the religion is.


Vitaly, not saying that the Bibles information is not true, it just has to be taken with a grain of salt and not to be taken Literally as it was written hundreds of years ago translated by different sects and most of the "figures" there should not be taken as "facts". The bible should be taken for its lessons and teachings... not the days, numbers the facts and figures. . Ask any Theologian regarding that ( except some sects that do take the bible litereally) and you will get the same response that i made.. In fact, i got some of my ideas, from theologians and priests ...


he Bible went from being the book about God to bunch of symbolic stories to teach us things, again, this is not how it works – the Church takes the book in a literal sense and that is what the religion is

Depends on which religion, or sect we are talking about. Majority of christian world does not take every word from the bible word for word , line by line. Are you talking about 7th day Adventists ? Mormons? Roman Catholics ? Protestants?
 
i don't care how they got here they just are
 
The best way to completely answer this arguement is to defer it until after you die, then we can all meet up and I will tell you were you went wrong.
 
guppy said:
The best way to completely answer this arguement is to defer it until after you die, then we can all meet up and I will tell you were you went wrong.


LOL i hope i cant meet you up ... i might go down ... :WHOA:
 
Vitaliy said:
Not taking numbers literally is complete news to me, I have never heard of such a thing. But for the sake of the argument you are basically stating that some information in the Bible is not correct/true, then what else is false? I am more than sure that just about every religious figure disagrees with your claim.

This is another popular thing people tend to do, they take the religion and they adjust it to their lifestyle versus following the teachings. The Bible went from being the book about God to bunch of symbolic stories to teach us things, again, this is not how it works – the Church takes the book in a literal sense and that is what the religion is.

The church DOES NOT interpret the Bible in a literal sense. That is a claim often made by those who lack a thoughough religious education or are perhaps completely ignorant on the subject. It is common knowledge amongst religious followers (well Christian followers at least) that much of the Bible's stories are meant as metaphors and are presented as ways to facilitate reader's understanding of the underlying morals.

Also, like redtailfool said, many of the world's top scientists acknowledge the existance of a higher power or diety. In fact, those two that I mentioned earlier, Stephen Hawking and James Watson, who I'm sure everyone would agree have achieved the highest level of scientific success and are regarded by all as geniuses in their fields, both acknowledge the possible existance of a God. They touch on the subject in many of their writings.

If God does exist (which at this point can't be proved either way), who is to say whether or not He did give us the cognative ability to use science. I'm not saying that this is necessarily what I believe, just a possibility.

So, I think the belief, or at least the acknowledgement that there COULD be a higher power is acceptable. The fact is that, where we are at right now, neither side can prove without a doubt that the other is wrong. To assume that would be either being closeminded and ignorant to scientific knowledge or being a poor scientist for believing theory is fact just because it has not been proven false. That is why we call it theory after all. I prefer to think of myself as falling somewhere in the middle, perhaps leaning towards the scientific side of things, but being open minded to all sides.
 
guppy said:
The best way to completely answer this arguement is to defer it until after you die, then we can all meet up and I will tell you were you went wrong.

I'm with you.

You are also right on the fact that science did not prove the world to be flat way back when. It couldn't have; it's round. Science argued that fact though, and was unfortunately what most people used to base their opinions.

Bottom line is, the fish are here. However they got here, I'm damn sure glad I got some in my tank to look at right now.
 
I understand where Vitaly is coming from.. he is our history guru so hes really into the facts and figures .

Dacox - Like you, I am also glad that the fish are here.. however they got into here...
 
dacox said:
The church DOES NOT interpret the Bible in a literal sense. That is a claim often made by those who lack a thoughough religious education or are perhaps completely ignorant on the subject. It is common knowledge amongst religious followers (well Christian followers at least) that much of the Bible's stories are meant as metaphors and are presented as ways to facilitate reader's understanding of the underlying morals.

Also, like redtailfool said, many of the world's top scientists acknowledge the existance of a higher power or diety. In fact, those two that I mentioned earlier, Stephen Hawking and James Watson, who I'm sure everyone would agree have achieved the highest level of scientific success and are regarded by all as geniuses in their fields, both acknowledge the possible existance of a God. They touch on the subject in many of their writings.

If God does exist (which at this point can't be proved either way), who is to say whether or not He did give us the cognative ability to use science. I'm not saying that this is necessarily what I believe, just a possibility.

So, I think the belief, or at least the acknowledgement that there COULD be a higher power is acceptable. The fact is that, where we are at right now, neither side can prove without a doubt that the other is wrong. To assume that would be either being closeminded and ignorant to scientific knowledge or being a poor scientist for believing theory is fact just because it has not been proven false. That is why we call it theory after all. I prefer to think of myself as falling somewhere in the middle, perhaps leaning towards the scientific side of things, but being open minded to all sides.
Damn it guys, I hate to admit this but you are both right. All popular sects of Catholicism and Christianity do not take the stories in the Bible in literal sense. I just looked and looked and came to the same conclusion as what you summed up on the post above, simply lacking the proper knowledge of the actual religion. Still hate admitting that I am wrong but damn it, I am happy I learned something.

At this point I am very disappointed that religious people do not take the Bible in a literal sense as I was giving them credit for their strong faith this whole time.

Interesting statistic I came across while searching, 63% of Americans take Bible in literal sense. To my credit I am not religious, and they are. :p
 
I am seeing a lot of people say "scientists believe in God" as if that's proveing something? Keep in mind folks, the debate is about CREATION and EVOLUTION....not the exisitance of God. Many scientists believe in god but honestly...how many believe in creation? Don't mix the two up.
 
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