GEOPHAGUS RED HEAD

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dirtyblacksocks... thanks for the many referrals in this thread, I am a member of MFK now because of the request of other members. Much different environment than CF and CRC!

I agree (per weidner) that G. sp. areoes and G. altifrons "tocantins" are the same species. But, if I do not consider the labels the fish have been given, I see the first is not a true altifrons and the second is an altifrons, per the size of the abdominal spots. So I do not think they are the same species/sub species based on that criteria that is supposed to distinguish true altifrons from those that merely have affinity with them.

So, with that statement, maybe it is important to note that I don't consider Japes G. cf. altifrons "rio tocantins" and G. altifrons "rio tocantins" the same "sub-species" either. The altifrons are not my focus, so please correct me if I am wrong, thanks and all of you have very nice Geophagus.

Ed
 
edburress;2679280; said:
dirtyblacksocks... thanks for the many referrals in this thread, I am a member of MFK now because of the request of other members. Much different environment than CF and CRC!

I agree (per weidner) that G. sp. areoes and G. altifrons "tocantins" are the same species. But, if I do not consider the labels the fish have been given, I see the first is not a true altifrons and the second is an altifrons, per the size of the abdominal spots. So I do not think they are the same species/sub species based on that criteria that is supposed to distinguish true altifrons from those that merely have affinity with them.

So, with that statement, maybe it is important to note that I don't consider Japes G. cf. altifrons "rio tocantins" and G. altifrons "rio tocantins" the same "sub-species" either. The altifrons are not my focus, so please correct me if I am wrong, thanks and all of you have very nice Geophagus.

Ed
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Glad you made it over here Ed. A lot more laid back on this site, and a lot more experienced hobbyists than the other sites I mosey around. You're definitely an asset over here - one of the few folks that carries a passion for SA's as much as I do. :)
 
I thi nk you can keep a trio in a 50 breeder. Males get 6-7 inches female a bit smaller. Mild temperment. I have a trio adults in a 50 breeder with a school of Aurilus barbs and a large scarlet pleco. This tank is my favorite.
 
can we see a pic of the tank


Allan01230;2679710; said:
I thi nk you can keep a trio in a 50 breeder. Males get 6-7 inches female a bit smaller. Mild temperment. I have a trio adults in a 50 breeder with a school of Aurilus barbs and a large scarlet pleco. This tank is my favorite.
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I have 4 of the orange heads from the same batch as the OP. At what size do they begin to color up (the forehead in particular)? They are pretty slow growers, but I too have 4 ~4" geos that have me second guessing their species. IMO, they look much more like the sp. areos. They coloration of the fins is there, but the bodies more yellow.

I've also been unable to sex them at this point. There aren't any noticeable fin extensions, and all of the body types/shapes appear similar. Recently they've become much more territorial and liplock with eachother quite often, but I don't think a pair is forming.
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Mine started to color up at 4" and more so at 4.5" TL. The males should start developing fin extentions very soon. At that size, the more colorful fish and most territorial fish are probably males. IME they very rarely liplock but if they do it is usually two females, rarely a male and female and I don't think I've ever seen two of my males lip lock. That does seem strange, so maybe others have a different experience.

cornbread_5... They do better as a group than as a pair. They are social animals. They are a good first Geophagus and relatively easy to breed. I have plenty of fry but probably could not ship to CT this time of year.
 
so when you think u can ship because i can wait


edburress;2683991; said:
Mine started to color up at 4" and more so at 4.5" TL. The males should start developing fin extentions very soon. At that size, the more colorful fish and most territorial fish are probably males. IME they very rarely liplock but if they do it is usually two females, rarely a male and female and I don't think I've ever seen two of my males lip lock. That does seem strange, so maybe others have a different experience.

cornbread_5... They do better as a group than as a pair. They are social animals. They are a good first Geophagus and relatively easy to breed. I have plenty of fry but probably could not ship to CT this time of year.
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edburress;2683991; said:
Mine started to color up at 4" and more so at 4.5" TL. The males should start developing fin extentions very soon. At that size, the more colorful fish and most territorial fish are probably males. IME they very rarely liplock but if they do it is usually two females, rarely a male and female and I don't think I've ever seen two of my males lip lock. That does seem strange, so maybe others have a different experience.

cornbread_5... They do better as a group than as a pair. They are social animals. They are a good first Geophagus and relatively easy to breed. I have plenty of fry but probably could not ship to CT this time of year.
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As was said they color up around 4 inches .I will try to post a pic of the tank.
 
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