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thebiggerthebetter

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Much appreciate everyone's support. Thank you!

Correct me if I’m wrong but it appears to me that you can now keep Asian arowanas?
Yes we can keep them one year at a time and within the quantity specified but the officials also told me that the Federally banned fish, such as the Asian arowana, require something else in addition to the State-issued permit from the Federal side. I am still to learn what else is needed. It's pretty exciting though. At least Australian and African aros we could get any time now.
 

DrownedFishonFire

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Very interesting hoops you have had to jump through. Glad the walkingcatfish is ok to keep again
 
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fishtankphil

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Wow I just read the results and what ur able to keep now, too bad the Nile perch is no longer imported as of some time now and yet they added that fish on to the list. I guess they threw u a bone that had no meat on it! What a joke I swear! Can u aquire a perch and import it or that is not an option?! As far as the Asian aros go, that is an awesome opportunity and as long as u have some deep pockets u can might have the opportunity to get one or a few that is well worth it!
 
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Thank you for reading. I had applied a few months after and was denied. Was advised to wait out 6-12 months and try again. Haven't yet.

The only state border control I know of is on highways and even that is only for large cargo vehicles. The FWC probably monitors large shipments of live animals too. USPS, UPS, FedEx, airport-to-airport cargo no one checks, it is impossible.




Just came across this. Makes me question? Do they actually check USPS fedex UPS AND ETC or they don’t?
 

thebiggerthebetter

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Just came across this. Makes me question? Do they actually check USPS fedex UPS AND ETC or they don’t?
All I can say I've never encountered this so far. I believe it is not possible anyway because of the mailing volume.
 

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I had to kill off 19 of our fish on exhibit (out of about a thousand we maintain) myself... as a consequence of our venture applying for licenses to exhibit prohibited and conditional fish species and the ensuing inspections by the Florida Wildlife Commission.

I knew what unlicensed fish I had and wasn't really hiding anything from the inspectors, who missed them on the 1st round but then came back with a biologist and got them all with my help, pointing out what they missed.

The FWC will probably deny my license application anyway but I have a weak hope that maybe they won't as I have fully cooperated with them.

Florida regulates great many fish species.

There are prohibited https://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/nonnatives/prohibited-species-list/ :

Sunfish
Electric Catfishes
African Tigerfishes
Electric Eels
Piranhas and Pirambebas
Snakeheads
Trahiras
Airsac Catfishes
Tilapias
Walking Catfishes
Lampreys
Parasitic Catfishes


and conditional https://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/nonnatives/conditional-species-list/ :

Dorados
Tilapia
Asian Carp
Catfishes
Nile Perch
Arowanas
Bony-tongue fishes
Freshwater stingrays
Bass

Anyhow, I had to kill:

1x Nile Perch 24"
6x VATF 10"-23"
1x GATF 9"
1x Wolf fish 20"
4x Buttikoferi 14"
1x Dorado 24"
5x Walking catfish 24"+


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Much appreciate your support, guys and gals, thanks!

Ready your tissues, folks!!

I am ok. I kind of clammed up when I was doing this (took half a day) and sulked for a week but it helped me that I knew that it's only me to blame and... well... let's be honest, I love myself, so there is no sense in punishing myself more than I already am punished.

The principal FWC (Florida Wildlife Commission) investigator is a really nice, well-meaning guy but wasn't versed in fish. So the first inspection was promising, I almost passed (getting a license is a long process, many steps and takes a year). But then he came back, said FWC saw my YouTube videos and the regulated fish we have, and brought a university biologist with him and they ID'ed my illegal finned immigrants. They missed one Nile perch and the wolf fish, which I have honestly pointed out to them.

They did a so-called constructive seizure where FWC takes ownership of the fish but transfers the keeping temporarily to me.

I was hoping that since

-- I have had the critically-needed wet/dry sand bed filter (where I dumped the water from the continuous water change onto / into the ground) mandated by the FWC for having prohibited and conditional fish species (so no fish, fry or eggs could ever escape in the wild) and
-- I was a rescue and
-- I was more or less straight up with them,

... they would grant the license and legalize my illegals... but the investigator said on the third visit that Tallahassee (the Florida capital where the government, including FWC, resides) will deny my application. That is on the grounds that one cannot be in possession of illegal fish at the time of application.

Then he asked me if I would be willing to voluntarily surrender the fish or they would have to go through the State Attorney, etc. get a warrant, and after that forcefully take my fish away, and then transport the fish elsewhere and euthanize them all (because they don't / can't kill the fish in the presence of the former owners).

I said there is no need whatsoever to heap up papers and expenses and stupid senseless work on the FWC, State Attorney Office, and the taxpayer, and that I would kill them off.

So I have.

They also constructively seized my 3 foot wels too, because it is federally banned (no additional bans in Florida, as opposed to the unfortunate Ohio). I emailed them my electronic receipts from Wesley Wong and PayPal from Aug 2016, when I got the wels. As you may know this was the last batch Wes brought into the USA because wels was then soon federally banned in the Fall of 2016. Tallahassee has found my proof adequate and released the wels back to me (of course, wels has never left its tank here, that's the constructive seizure).

*** All in all, I have no problem with FWC, whether they grant me my license or not. I blame myself (Duh!? Genius!). Especially the FWC principle investigator is a nice guy, on my side, but he has no influence, or not much, on the Tallahassee superiors... but those guys appear so far to adhere more to the letter of the law, not the spirit of the law. Which in my case means I am equaled with any other unlawful scum, no matter my "noble" intentions and circumstances or my fish fish keeping skill level and responsibility... I am the same as any Joe Schmoe who never bothered to make a wet/dry sand filter, who doesn't think twice about releasing his illegal fish into the wild (or whether a hurricane will do it for him), or selling them to others, etc.

And that's ok. One cannot expect mercy from a large bureaucratic machine like the government because it is set up as an utterly, perfectly just computer but at the same indiscriminate and impationate, soulless computer.

If one find mercy there, it'd be because some official somewhere there would voluntarily take upon themselves the work and the risk of, first, understanding who they deal with (a stupid but a well meaning person or a cunning criminal) and, second, choosing to make concessions at a possible expense of their own job safety and comfort. Such people are a tiny % in life, in government, in everything.

That's my sobbing story.






Howdy neighbor! We live in SE Naples, 5 miles south of exit 101. Might your name be Ladia by chance?
I’m sorry this happened, what a bunch of dirtbags
 
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