Goldfish are Nutritious

[High City Rida]

Come on guy HITH is caused by FEEDERS that's what the paper said in the begging of this post so now your saying you think it's the water quality? Ok so then feeder's are safe then and good and nutritious for our fish's? The only other argument I have heard here is it makes your fish fat. THAT"S why we are promoting feeders we want to put the fat on our Cichla in the first year. I am in no way saying feed exclusivly feeders forever. In the wild they would have an endless supply of feeders healthy and unhealthy they still eat them. So what is your argument again? Are feeders a good source of nutrition or not? Or do I have to wait until you write a formal paper on the subject?

 

[probassfisher010]

I'm done wasting my time with peope who don't read the entire thread. If you actually read and understood the posts in the thread, you would see that the question is no longer "What are your experiences/opinions on feeders?" It is now, find as much scientific research and show it off to prove the other wrong, which was accomplished and even the OP found a mid way point that, feeders are probably more nutritional then the bulk trout feeds, but not better then the high end pelleted varieties, such as NLS.... This thread accomplished its goal, and then all of a sudden you two burst in bragging about your fish (showing off pictures is in fact bragging) stirring everything up. Over and out.

 

[ballinouttacntrol]

read the thread, contribute to the topic we're discussing, no one has said fish can't be grown on goldfish

ps, i really hate when people say feeders when they're infact refering to goldfish or rosey reds. do you realize how many different types of fish out there we can feed our fish that would be healthier then goldfish? that should also ring a bell that fish in the wild are infact NOT eating goldfish, stop throwing the term "feeder" around loosely

 

[High City Rida]

Why post if you do not read the entire thread? HITH was brought up in one post, yet countless other diseases and facts (actual scientific facts) have been brought up also...Were RD's posts too complicated, boring, and long for you to read?

Bro I read everything that was posted even the (actual scientific facts) of individules who don't really keep Cichlids for the lifetime of the fish. They gave you information based on a specimine ie there intrest long term is very much different then an actuall fish keeper. Most of my collection is W/C and I myself am the first person people thik of to ask advice of when treating these disease. So I have an understanding of there processes as well ok so does that qualify me to give my Opinion?

Oh yea I have never held a disscussion with you before and obviously you need some credintial's my name is (Michael Moore really) google me and let me know if I am qualified to talk to you now Mr. Probassfisher010. So as not to assume your not pro feeder?

 

[sjkoi]

Hey, a good thread should generate a little heat. People, don't get so tense. I haven't seen a single poster that wasn't being forthright. Its sad though that a koi farmer has to come to this site and point out that feeders are neither fatty nor poor nutrition, and that thiaminase is widespread but poses no known risk to warm-water species when using live foods. There are draw-backs to live foods for sure. There are also draw-backs to using pellets. To each his own, but can't we get some better data points on this debate than we have now? What would constitute a good growth comparison study between live and canned diets? How could it be done so that the data would be useful and unbiased? Any ideas?

 

[High City Rida]

read the thread, contribute to the topic we're discussing, no one has said fish can't be grown on goldfish

Pay attention to my input I don't think any Cichlid should just be fed goldfish I never said that I just said it should be part of the balanced diet as needed.

ps, i really hate when people say feeders when they're infact refering to goldfish or rosey reds. do you realize how many different types of fish out there we can feed our fish that would be healthier then goldfish? that should also ring a bell that fish in the wild are infact NOT eating goldfish, stop throwing the term "feeder" around loosely

So yes I can see your still not reading and following which is really disapointing. I have kept a collection of 15+ breeders just for the sole purpose of feeding "Live" which is the correct term. I also have feed "live" rat's/mice/ etc you get the idea. In actuallaty the best "live" comes from a bait shop that I deal with that gives me a great deal because I buy in bulk. But I still have no problem feeding feeders from Petsmart or PetCo. You need to re read what you read and then read it again because your loosing yourself "Loosely".

 

[sjkoi]

There is no need to do or run a control group here just take a look at my fish all raised from fry wild caught now over two years old RAISED ON FEEDER GOLDFISH of course treated and fattened up with dry hikari witch yes is a little cheaper if you don't buy bulk ...The comments are comical to say the least coming from people who probably have not even kept a fish long enough to KNOW what a feeder will cause or not cause ..Of coarse a varied diet is good and better for fish but make no mistake some of the fish we keep are predators pure and simple AND NEED THE CHALLENGE of catching and eating another fish it is what they are made to do they are lions and need to treated this way they have special needs for sure!!!! HughI defy you to show me better looking fish

Homage, keeper of water! Your fish are spectacular. Either that or you take one hell of a photograph. Just the skin quality and luster alone makes this koi farmer jealous.

 

[sjkoi]

I'm done wasting my time with peope who don't read the entire thread. If you actually read and understood the posts in the thread, you would see that the question is no longer "What are your experiences/opinions on feeders?" It is now, find as much scientific research and show it off to prove the other wrong, which was accomplished and even the OP found a mid way point that, feeders are probably more nutritional then the bulk trout feeds, but not better then the high end pelleted varieties, such as NLS.... This thread accomplished its goal, and then all of a sudden you two burst in bragging about your fish (showing off pictures is in fact bragging) stirring everything up. Over and out.

That is not an accurate description of my opinion. I think that live foods are superior to any pelleted diet. That the best pelleted diets do have a role and likely provide adequate nutrition, but regardless of the quality of ingredients that are placed into a canned diet they will not provide the same vitality that live foods do. Give mother nature her do. However, I agree that we need to move on from personal experience and get some data points. I don't know if the pellet side of the argument has an interest in putting their claims to the test and will help me set up a growth comparison trial that is meaningful.

 

[HULON]

Homage, keeper of water! Your fish are spectacular. Either that or you take one hell of a photograph. Just the skin quality and luster alone makes this koi farmer jealous.

Thank you sir I am proud to take such a compliment !!!!!!!

 

[HULON]

That is not an accurate description of my opinion. I think that live foods are superior to any pelleted diet. That the best pelleted diets do have a role and likely provide adequate nutrition, but regardless of the quality of ingredients that are placed into a canned diet they will not provide the same vitality that live foods do. Give mother nature her do. However, I agree that we need to move on from personal experience and get some data points. I don't know if the pellet side of the argument has an interest in putting their claims to the test and will help me set up a growth comparison trial that is meaningful.

We are doing this as we speak with F1 Xingu Pbass several keepers are and have shown their filtration water change regiment and what exactly their diet consist of we all recieved are Pbass within a day of each other you might be suprised at the conditions of the fish already!!!!! By the way they all came from one man that bred them in Germany Micheal Boettner