Government regulations on large fish

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Will you support government regulations on large fish?


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You have GOT to be kidding me. The problem is a lack of personal responsibility, not the need for government oversight. The government has never fixed anything by taking away the freedom of law abiding Americans.

Let's examine this, shall we?

First, let's assume that the people of the United States decide that we need to create laws to limit the type of fish (other pets would obviously be affected as well, but I'll keep my focus limited for the purpose of this post) that can or cannot be kept in a home aquarium.

Ok, good. Who will enforce these laws?

At this point, with the passing of the laws that ban certain types of fish based on the size that they are capable of growing to, we need to have something to enforce these laws. Current fish bans are based on a fish's protected status or their potential to become invasive and as such fall under the regulation of the Federal Fish and Wildlife Service. A new set of laws that limit the freedom of Americans to keep fish would not be under the FWS' jurisdiction. Many states also have bans in place that are based on their local conditions. Florida bans African tiger fish because they could establish a population, Montana doesn't need to worry about that. Same concept as the laws at the federal level.

So if not FWS or the states, who enforces the laws?

The passing of these laws would require the creation of a new agency to enforce them. It would be responsible for determining the species that could be kept, creating standards that are required to keep them, policing people who don't obey their laws, ect. So now we have an entire new branch of government to enforce the keeping of freaking PETS? The National Pet Safety and Health Administration? Freaking REALLY?!

KEEP IN MIND now, the PEOPLE who work in such an agency would be DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for ensuring that THEY KEEP THEIR JOBS by MAKING IT HARDER TO KEEP OUR PETS.

Think about that for a minute.

Any government agency which controls pet availablility gives PEOPLE the power to ensure their job security by LIMITING THE ABILITY OF OTHERS TO KEEP PETS.

At first it starts out as arapaima and RTC, then it's any fish that gets over three feet, then any over two feet then after a few years all you can keep is a feeder guppy, but you have to apprentice for two years in order to get a permit to keep it on your own. Once you're done with your apprenticeship, you can also keep show guppies, but no more than three males and seven females at one time and you have to register the males to ensure they're not lost.

One needs to only look at our bloated government bureaucracy to see the truth in this. As a federal employee, I'm quite a bit more familiar with this problem than are most civilians.
And then there's education. Most people in FWS has little or no knowledge on the fish species or any biology information on the fishes. That's why they decided that the whole snakehead family and Clarias (walking catfish) family were banned from the whole United States.
 
And then there's education. Most people in FWS has little or no knowledge on the fish species or any biology information on the fishes. That's why they decided that the whole snakehead family and Clarias (walking catfish) family were banned from the whole United States.

And also why Asian aros are "illegal", when according to FWS doctrine and regulations one could be kept with a permit.
 
And also why Asian aros are "illegal", when according to FWS doctrine and regulations one could be kept with a permit.
Which that is why it's a bad idea to asking the government to put more regulations on fishkeeping, they have zero or some education on the fishes.

I will never understand why United States are only one place that couldn't let us to keeping captive-bred Asian arowanas legally.
 
:clap :clap You mean goldfish would still be legal to house in 1 gallon bowls though.. because sesame street's Elmo would surely loose his buddy Dorothy otherwise and we can't have that!?
 
Which that is why it's a bad idea to asking the government to put more regulations on fishkeeping, they have zero or some education on the fishes.

I will never understand why United States are only one place that couldn't let us to keeping captive-bred Asian arowanas legally.

The problem is, according to their regulations the ARE legal to keep with a permit. It's a FWS internal decision to not issue permits however; its not based in law.

Read this:

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/f...the-Government-s-banned-species-watchlist-LOL

:clap :clap You mean goldfish would still be legal to house in 1 gallon bowls though.. because sesame street's Elmo would surely loose his buddy Dorothy otherwise and we can't have that!?

You lost me on this one lol
 
Ahh its about regulating the store itself, of course there should be a damn test for shopkeeps they are the ones who give info to those who don't have places like this to go to (or don't know about them).

Seriously the one store near me has said some dumb ****. Like oh the 10 5 in. silver arowana in a 30 ga tank is just fine. Not to mention it was filled up to the top of the lid (I believe Aros are air breathers so that really messes em up, correct me if I'm wrong).

Also an inspection into the stores would be a great idea, I have seen some horrible conditions in tanks where fish are for sale

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Thats all we need is more big brother controlling our lifes.

Technically a guppy in a 100 gal tank is small. So there would be no end to regulations, they would keep snowballing.
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You have GOT to be kidding me. The problem is a lack of personal responsibility, not the need for government oversight. The government has never fixed anything by taking away the freedom of law abiding Americans.

Let's examine this, shall we?

First, let's assume that the people of the United States decide that we need to create laws to limit the type of fish (other pets would obviously be affected as well, but I'll keep my focus limited for the purpose of this post) that can or cannot be kept in a home aquarium.

Ok, good. Who will enforce these laws?

At this point, with the passing of the laws that ban certain types of fish based on the size that they are capable of growing to, we need to have something to enforce these laws. Current fish bans are based on a fish's protected status or their potential to become invasive and as such fall under the regulation of the Federal Fish and Wildlife Service. A new set of laws that limit the freedom of Americans to keep fish would not be under the FWS' jurisdiction. Many states also have bans in place that are based on their local conditions. Florida bans African tiger fish because they could establish a population, Montana doesn't need to worry about that. Same concept as the laws at the federal level.

So if not FWS or the states, who enforces the laws?

The passing of these laws would require the creation of a new agency to enforce them. It would be responsible for determining the species that could be kept, creating standards that are required to keep them, policing people who don't obey their laws, ect. So now we have an entire new branch of government to enforce the keeping of freaking PETS? The National Pet Safety and Health Administration? Freaking REALLY?!

KEEP IN MIND now, the PEOPLE who work in such an agency would be DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for ensuring that THEY KEEP THEIR JOBS by MAKING IT HARDER TO KEEP OUR PETS.

Think about that for a minute.

Any government agency which controls pet availablility gives PEOPLE the power to ensure their job security by LIMITING THE ABILITY OF OTHERS TO KEEP PETS.

At first it starts out as arapaima and RTC, then it's any fish that gets over three feet, then any over two feet then after a few years all you can keep is a feeder guppy, but you have to apprentice for two years in order to get a permit to keep it on your own. Once you're done with your apprenticeship, you can also keep show guppies, but no more than three males and seven females at one time and you have to register the males to ensure they're not lost.

One needs to only look at our bloated government bureaucracy to see the truth in this. As a federal employee, I'm quite a bit more familiar with this problem than are most civilians.

Amen!

Those that think or have the notion to support or feel laws passed will help need to understand that all you will be doing is giving government entities the POWER to REGULATE and CONTROL what you do. You lose any and all rights, say and freedoms in such. It will be their jobs to make things as hard as they can on any and all of us who wish to enjoy keeping pets. Wont matter if you wanna keep a hampster, guppy, red tail cat, shark, dog or bear. They will control it all.


I speak on this with a great deal of experience under my belt. In other things I do I have to deal with multiple alphabet agencies. Outside of my job and my fish I do other things that make me deal with ATFE, FBI, FAA, DOT, HSA and several more. Its a royal pain in my ass. Its things I've had to sacrifice, freedoms I've given. The last thing this hobby needs or anyone really needs is more government regulation and control. If your interested in what it is I'd be glad to share. But want to keep things more on topic.

What happened to the days of when people stood for things and didn't want the government to run our lives and we wanted control and freedoms?

I don't want laws or regulation from government. There are other ways to regulate internally inside the hobby but not kill it.



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