HAS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA LOST IT'S MIND
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But a biologist do not stock pike in the lake on purpose and they do not use pike to control fish populations in California. Mostly likely the pike come in with largemouth or rainbow trout from other states. It is not uncommon that hatchery farms raise different species. And it is possible that young pikes jump into next pen of another species such as largemouth bass or rainbow trout or forage fish then fisheries shipping out intended gamefish along with young pikes. Brown bullheads are good example that they often bred in same ponds where the hatchery fingerlings were raised. When the fisheries came and netted out fingerlings, they also netted out some young bullheads unnoticed. You will never notice few strays in thousands of fingerlings before they were released into the lake.MultispeciesTamer;2634341; said:
Green sunfish, bullheads and common carps use this method and get spread in different waterways in all over place.
Here's another example. Muskies in Gull Lake of Minnesota, the fisheries do not stock pure muskies in this lake, nor Gull Lake have native muskies. However the muskies were accidently stocked in Gull Lake by stocking walleye fingerlings from the fish hatchery that raised muskies. When the workers at fish hatchery netted the muskies out of the pond but did they get ALL of the muskie fingerlings? I doubt. Then the workers stocked walleye fingerlings in the same pond that muskie used to raise into. When the walleyes are enough big for stocking in Gull lake, the workers netted all walleyes along with "leftover" muskie fingerlings to be stocked.
Yeah. You can easily order hatchery fish from online fish hatchery and they will ship out the fingerlings you wanted along with unwanted/hidden fish. I dont think California fisheries want to stock the bullheads as gamefish on purpose, they got there somehow. Seems nobody answered my question, can rainbow trouts reproduce in that lake? Because most rainbow trouts do not reproduce in some lakes of Minnesota.
Sounds like a bunch of idiots to me. Haven't they heard of live capture? They don't have to kill all of them just because they don't want pike in the lake. Lets just demolish their houses because they don't look good sitting where they are at right now. A bunch of morons. I hope they all get poisoned from water contamination. (not the innocent ones..) And I thought Ohio had some pretty bad ideas. I guess wherever you go there are going to be a bunch of morons trying to figure out how mother nature should be instead of letting it be nature.
California lakes and river system isn't much like every river system out there on many different other states. How do I know? IM FROM CALIFORNIA.
These pikes kill every single fish there is in the Lake, and due to this. It's a hazard that if they escape into river systems, it will have a big impact on many species that does spawning run yearly. Especially the chinook(king) salmons. With the pike escape into our river system, it is impossible to kill them. Our river system stretch into every single lakes out there and will connect into other rivers. Our dams and gates are opens yearly because due to salmon runs which will lead a clear passage way to other river water ways and it will destroy everything but fish bigger than itself.
We have the weather condition that is permitted for the pike to breed all year long. Which means they breed more and faster than we can breed our hatchery trout to stock in Lake Davis. Which this also means, if the pike over breeds and escape into river systems and enters into other lakes including the BIG tourney lakes that always held trophy bass. And the legendary Lake Dixon that holds numerals of 18+ pounders of bass.
Not only that, the Pike will much likely escape into the delta where freshwater meets and hang around there. And will destroy every species out there besides the large Stripe Bass and Sturgeons. The California Delta is so huge, you can get lost in this maze for days. And with ginormous place perfect for the pikes to spawn there, it will most likely take over the delta in matter of time.
Not only that, California Chinook(king) Salmon fishery is the world 2nd largest fishery for salmon. And with pike invading the salmons and eating off all salmon eggs and the hatchery smolts before they can even reach half way down the river system into the bay will cause California to loose millions and millions of dollars.
So don't think California is an idiot to do so if you got no clue what their doing exactly. Your only seeing it as your view.
These pikes kill every single fish there is in the Lake, and due to this. It's a hazard that if they escape into river systems, it will have a big impact on many species that does spawning run yearly. Especially the chinook(king) salmons. With the pike escape into our river system, it is impossible to kill them. Our river system stretch into every single lakes out there and will connect into other rivers. Our dams and gates are opens yearly because due to salmon runs which will lead a clear passage way to other river water ways and it will destroy everything but fish bigger than itself.
We have the weather condition that is permitted for the pike to breed all year long. Which means they breed more and faster than we can breed our hatchery trout to stock in Lake Davis. Which this also means, if the pike over breeds and escape into river systems and enters into other lakes including the BIG tourney lakes that always held trophy bass. And the legendary Lake Dixon that holds numerals of 18+ pounders of bass.
Not only that, the Pike will much likely escape into the delta where freshwater meets and hang around there. And will destroy every species out there besides the large Stripe Bass and Sturgeons. The California Delta is so huge, you can get lost in this maze for days. And with ginormous place perfect for the pikes to spawn there, it will most likely take over the delta in matter of time.
Not only that, California Chinook(king) Salmon fishery is the world 2nd largest fishery for salmon. And with pike invading the salmons and eating off all salmon eggs and the hatchery smolts before they can even reach half way down the river system into the bay will cause California to loose millions and millions of dollars.
So don't think California is an idiot to do so if you got no clue what their doing exactly. Your only seeing it as your view.
ill take a stab at it, um i think they do reproduce just not many offspring survive thats y they continue to stock every year. Not enough of them make it to there first year so the local fisheries has to keep stocking to help the population sustain.MN_Rebel;2642301; said:
MN_Rebel;2643229; said:
Not true at all that all gamefish kill every single fish in the lake. Lake Davis had nothing left in that lake but full of pikes. This should give you a clear view how invasion the species is in California. Every cast, every hit...pikes pikes pikes...they did an open fishery for fishing out all the pikes. Doesn't work either for over a month of crazy people fishing that lake.
Brown Bullheads???...we rarely have many bullheads here. But tons of channels and whites which get fish every year with no limit. As for bass, why the blame is not put onto them when they eat as much as pike???...it's just every lakes out there with trout, go figure.
True, they breed once a year. But the condition here makes 90% of the fry survive. They grow faster than many other species also, which you know what will happen soon.
with that being said, yes...they do use hatchery trout for bass forage. But you got to remember there are 2 different hatchery size trout. The forage and the one that we take home. The forage is a small 3-6" while the one's that are made for us is roughly 18"+. Heck, there's tons that are 25"+, besides...there is tons of threadfin shad that the bass boils onto them all year long, but pikes wouldn't bother the threadfin shad would they???
But with that being said of hatchery trout threatening the wild rainbow. It's hard to come by wild rainbow here and most likely. Rainbow trout aren't stocked into river systems. Only salmon smolts are stocked into river systems. Besides, all the natives are way up in the sierra and foothills where you can be ice fishing. Most natives are mostly going to be browns, and cutthroats(steelhead doesn't count)
Maybe not for the adults, but the little pikes. You bet yourself they do eat eggs here. Correct, stripers and large mouth bass will prey onto salmon smolts. But the salmon smolts are released near to the mouth of the delta. I don't think there's any Large Mouth there where its not the delta yet. Besides, the smolts travel out into the bay not the delta anyways, so they are ratherly safe. Out of 30,000,000 salmon smolts. At least 5,000,000 salmon smolts have to make it out there.
And you think California won't loose much money on a Native Species of the United States??? That's quite wrong of an information you got there my friend. Right now California has loss over $20,000,000.00 on the commercial salmon fishery. This is only because the ocean system isn't going well and some how the salmon isn't returning on a great number to reach a minimum requirement on the hatchery. Right now salmon is closed in the West Coast in California, Oregon, and Washington since 2007, this may go on for 3 more years or 10 more years. Imagine if the pikes were to escape when we have loss tremendous amount of salmons returning spawns. As of count to spawning numbers from 2002 to 2007. There was at least 200,000 salmon spawners in the hatchery. While in 2007 there was less than 50,000 returned.
But for a fact of how well of a survival rates between hatchery and wild. They are the same thing...with that being known, the wild actually have a less chance of survival rate when they have to travel through all that river systems and get pumped out by the farmers when the farmers needed those water for their agriculture. Plus, the wild travel through the river system right at the timing when stripe bass spawners are climbing up the river...good survival rates for the wild???
pike are not savage killers, they are not as bad as snakeheads. Pike are not eating machienes. Pike tend to feed on mostly smaller fish like shad minnows and bluegills. when they are big enough then they eat other pike, bass and trout along with all the other smaller fish. There is no way pike can take absolut control of a lake. When thos people were catching pike after pike i bet they were all little pike in the middle of that day.
