HAS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA LOST IT'S MIND

[MultispeciesTamer]

oh i guess you don't know anything about the carp thing, but anyways back to the topic.

I guess you haven't seen pikes that literally tried to eat other pikes 3/4 of their size, and that's more than 10lbs. Of course they end up spitting the fish back out, but would that fish be a live after its been spit back out?

Our lakes/rivers environment is different from there. I guess in our water system, its just capable to make any fish turn out to be their true self when there's no icing to keep them cool. Over here, it still gets up to mid 60s or high 60s during the middle of the winter when its like 0 and below over there, and during summer its high 90s up to 105 or 110. Weather temperament can change the behavior of a certain species specifically, and im sure you should understand that also.

Researching about them has nothing to deal with figuring out how they act from certain location. But im sure an experience is something while looking up online is nothing.

But if your talking about pikes eating stripers and salmon, very capable in fact. Sure they will not be able to take on the 30"+ stripers, but im sure they will be able to take on the 5"-15" zone very simple. Plus the little guys are more populated as usual in the west coast, every 100 of them you will find a keeper.
As for salmon, smolts...smolts...smolts. And im sure due the aggressive behavior of these species, the salmon will not make it far up to their spawning ground after all the battle against the pikes. And this will cause the world 2nd most popular salmon fishery to collapse(which is happening right now even without the pikes). Imagine if we were to keep the pike longer and they escaped into the river system and out into the delta. Most of our species would be killed off besides large stripers and the infamous white sturgeon. After they have escape into the delta, there is absolutely no way but to poison the delta, and I bet it would be a waste of California money also to do the project. Since the delta is so huge and deep, it would not effect on a wide range enough just to put them down on the population. Not only that, someone will file a lawsuit against the state for doing so and killing off a lot of the species in the water(including and infamous white sturgeon, which the law is 3 per yr for bagging these guys).

Besides, your talking about the trout being in the streams. We don't have streams here, most of our streams is in the foothill into the sierras which is terribly far for most fisherman. More likely terribly far for 85% of the fisherman in California.
That's not the only case, the other case is that if these non native rainbows are being bred into the wild browns and cutthroats, or maybe even the rare true wild rainbow now a days. The stream system will be ruined in matter of times.
If they are release into the river, all the fish will eat it such as stripers, sturgeons, catfish. So there's really no point of stocking them into rivers either when we have different species of fish runs all year long. It would be a waste of time to stock the trout into rivers and make no profit. So in this case, rather stock into lakes where people will come pay to fish so the state can make some profit right??? you tell me about it.

i see where your coming from but a 30 inch pike only weighs about 7-8.5 pounds the only reason pike eat other pike is because of body shape its easyer to swallow something long and thin then something short and wide. a 30 inch pike would have trouble with a 10-12 inch bluegill, because of its height including spines.
pike would eat small stripers and salmon smolts but these are limited, salmon smolts would be farther up river in shallow water near spawning ground, small stripers can handle warmer water then pike. pike like trout need cold water during summer they will find the coldest water possible. During summer big pike are rare because they are siting near cold water which may be hard to find by anglers. pike are called the coolest of the cool for a reason.
now the trout for streams thing. true they would mess up native trout. and would be eaten in the rivers so your right about putting them in lake for money purposes. i just dont like fishing for trout in lakes in such i would rather fish the river and streams. here in mi we got smallies, salmon, walleye, musky, trout, pike, sturgeon. but are rivers are different.

also one more thing salmon migrating up river would have no problem from pikes if any thing the pike should be afraid of a salmon attack

 

[BIG_ONE]

i see where your coming from but a 30 inch pike only weighs about 7-8.5 pounds the only reason pike eat other pike is because of body shape its easyer to swallow something long and thin then something short and wide. a 30 inch pike would have trouble with a 10-12 inch bluegill, because of its height including spines.
pike would eat small stripers and salmon smolts but these are limited, salmon smolts would be farther up river in shallow water near spawning ground, small stripers can handle warmer water then pike. pike like trout need cold water during summer they will find the coldest water possible. During summer big pike are rare because they are siting near cold water which may be hard to find by anglers. pike are called the coolest of the cool for a reason.
now the trout for streams thing. true they would mess up native trout. and would be eaten in the rivers so your right about putting them in lake for money purposes. i just dont like fishing for trout in lakes in such i would rather fish the river and streams. here in mi we got smallies, salmon, walleye, musky, trout, pike, sturgeon. but are rivers are different.

also one more thing salmon migrating up river would have no problem from pikes if any thing the pike should be afraid of a salmon attack

correct, the pike would have quite a bit of trouble swallowing due to the fact of the spines, but remember...all fish eats head first, which makes the spines folds back down.
As of the salmon smolts, correct but not quite. Sure they are spawned more up north in the shallow areas, but remember they will have to come through the big river system where it would become a challenge for survival rates as there is already enough species waiting for them to come by.
And yes, your correct about the pikes are called the coolest of the cool, But without our cool water system it won't help as it is up in the midwest. As the water is continuously warm from mid 40s in the winter through low 80s in the summer which will cause every fish to be extreme on their behavior. And this is the reason why pikes, piranhas, snakeheads and other extreme vicious species aren't allowed in the states and considered as invasive. We don't have that kind of extreme temperature to tame those species here in the state of California. But with that being said.

The species we have here are Chinook(king)/Silver/Coho salmon, white sturgeon, stripe bass, LMB, SMB, SPB(spotted bass), smelts, american shad, common carp, white catfish, channel catfish, blue catfish(rare), bullheads, steelhead, sacramento pikeminnow, and a lot of panfish all running in 1 river system. This might give you an idea why we don't need the pikes here from what we can see what they do to lake davis by themself invading the entire lake. Fisherman can't even fish for trout anymore, can't even fish for bass anymore(i think there's bass).

But one way or another, I hope you understand the situation that is needed for California to do so or so lose so.

 

[MultispeciesTamer]

correct, the pike would have quite a bit of trouble swallowing due to the fact of the spines, but remember...all fish eats head first, which makes the spines folds back down.
As of the salmon smolts, correct but not quite. Sure they are spawned more up north in the shallow areas, but remember they will have to come through the big river system where it would become a challenge for survival rates as there is already enough species waiting for them to come by.
And yes, your correct about the pikes are called the coolest of the cool, But without our cool water system it won't help as it is up in the midwest. As the water is continuously warm from mid 40s in the winter through low 80s in the summer which will cause every fish to be extreme on their behavior. And this is the reason why pikes, piranhas, snakeheads and other extreme vicious species aren't allowed in the states and considered as invasive. We don't have that kind of extreme temperature to tame those species here in the state of California. But with that being said.

The species we have here are Chinook(king)/Silver/Coho salmon, white sturgeon, stripe bass, LMB, SMB, SPB(spotted bass), smelts, american shad, common carp, white catfish, channel catfish, blue catfish(rare), bullheads, steelhead, sacramento pikeminnow, and a lot of panfish all running in 1 river system. This might give you an idea why we don't need the pikes here from what we can see what they do to lake davis by themself invading the entire lake. Fisherman can't even fish for trout anymore, can't even fish for bass anymore(i think there's bass).

But one way or another, I hope you understand the situation that is needed for California to do so or so lose so.

if trout survive then there is cool water, springs or just deep water theres cold water somewhere if not there would be a bunch of dead floating trout and pike. hot water makes pike less aggressive you more likly to catch a big mean pike in spring when the water is just un frezzing then in the summer. big pike during summer will sit in deep water or shallow cool spring water only leaveing to eat unless fish swim by them, thell eat then return and sit a few days while digesting. and thats there whole summer. they should have sent a buch of the pike else where at least get some use of them either net a bunch and eat them or net them and send them to other states for stocking.


no sense letting all this go to waste theres world hunger out there

 

[BIG_ONE]

the trout usually come around stocking in the winter only, but the pikes...not sure how they run the water system there, but here. They are aggressive and killers 24/7. Lake Davis, not sure how deep it is but...the fish are usually always spread all over. Both winter and summer. So im sure they pike will never miss them.

And yes, true...why would they waste some meat, but for a fact. We don't know for sure if these pikes here are even safe to eat. We don't know or have any their back ground or anything. They might have carried some diseases or something.

 

[MN_Rebel]

the trout usually come around stocking in the winter only, but the pikes...not sure how they run the water system there, but here. They are aggressive and killers 24/7. Lake Davis, not sure how deep it is but...the fish are usually always spread all over. Both winter and summer. So im sure they pike will never miss them.

And yes, true...why would they waste some meat, but for a fact. We don't know for sure if these pikes here are even safe to eat. We don't know or have any their back ground or anything. They might have carried some diseases or something.

They are safe to eat, all wild fish have diseases anyways, even largemouth bass, salmon and trout as long as they are cooked properly. However im not sure that i wanted to eat ANY fish from a lake that once been poisioned. Pike are not really aggressive they eat just once or twice a week depends on how big the meal is. Oh by way brown trout are NOT native to Califorina.

Bass and pike live in the same waterways with no problems so why everyone get freak out that pike will eat every bass? I dont think pike have ruined Davis Lake, its already ruined as there are NO NATIVE FISHES in that lake...big deal. If pike can escape into the rivers then why can't hatchery trout, bass, bullheads and sunfish escape?

Its offically, the California has lost its mind.

 

[BIG_ONE]

They are safe to eat, all wild fish have diseases anyways, even largemouth bass, salmon and trout as long as they are cooked properly. However im not sure that i wanted to eat ANY fish from a lake that once been poisioned. Pike are not really aggressive they eat just once or twice a week depends on how big the meal is. Oh by way brown trout are NOT native to Califorina.

Bass and pike live in the same waterways with no problems so why everyone get freak out that pike will eat every bass? I dont think pike have ruined Davis Lake, its already ruined as there are NO NATIVE FISHES in that lake...big deal. If pike can escape into the rivers then why can't hatchery trout, bass, bullheads and sunfish escape?

Its offically, the California has lost its mind.

Then im sure you should come by to Lake Davis and check out with the local fisherman, im sure they will tell you a better story of the PIKE in CALIFORNIA that ruined Lake Davis fishery for many fisherman and kids who wants to enjoy fun of many different species and not just pikes all day long.

With that being said of the term "DISEASE", I guess your not understanding me. The "DISEASE" im talking about, can be fatal to humans whether its cooked or not.

But with that being said of why everyone is freaked that a PIKE is going to eat a BASS???...LOL the lake has nothing left in there but pikes here and there. How is that for a description of WHY EVERYONE IS SCARED THAT PIKES WILL EAT ALL THE BASS??? it has already happened long before we knew so.

But with that being said of WILD BROWNS not native to California. Your correct, but I never said anything about its being a DOMESTICATED BROWN did I??? I only mentioned the stocked Rainbow Trout which are truely domesticated trout which doesn't carry the same gene as every wild trout does.

But if your talking about pikes escaping into rivers, why other species can't escape. First of all, we have a little something called the CALIFORNIA DELTA. And that will even make them populate even more just like bass when it was first intro into the California Delta, right now the California Delta is filled with bass in every location you can think of. From the view of Davis, this means the river will be polluted with pikes killing a lot of species just like the Silver/Bighead taking over the rivers in MN in no time destroying habitat. You guys were in shock of it right??? But luckily the carp are not CARNIVORES so MN and other states didn't bother to do anything about it.

But what does being native has anything to deal with Lake Davis, you tell me about it. We don't need native species to have fun at fishing. But I know a native we have that the nation doesn't have but the west coast...THE MIGHTY WHITE STURGEON(and green sturgeon), and being a record of 20ft weighing over 1800lbs I don't think anyone will have a chance to catch these fellas without coming to the west coast. The only sturgeon I know of that other state has are Lake Sturgeon, Atlantic Sturgeon, Paddle Nose Sturgeon etc...

But I guess it sounds like your just talking from your point of view, how ignorant this is my friend, im through talking to someone who's got no idea what the state is doing and got no clue what is truely going on. All I see on this thread is people bashing California with their own thoughts and ideas without not even been to the Lake or HEARD of the Lake issues.
It's just like what many will do, when 1 guy jump off the bridge...everyone says "hey lets jump off the bridge too". Same exact pattern here.

P.S. The poison that is used for killing the pikes is human safe, research helps a bit more than bashing without an idea of anything.

 

[MultispeciesTamer]

Then im sure you should come by to Lake Davis and check out with the local fisherman, im sure they will tell you a better story of the PIKE in CALIFORNIA that ruined Lake Davis fishery for many fisherman and kids who wants to enjoy fun of many different species and not just pikes all day long.

With that being said of the term "DISEASE", I guess your not understanding me. The "DISEASE" im talking about, can be fatal to humans whether its cooked or not.

But with that being said of why everyone is freaked that a PIKE is going to eat a BASS???...LOL the lake has nothing left in there but pikes here and there. How is that for a description of WHY EVERYONE IS SCARED THAT PIKES WILL EAT ALL THE BASS??? it has already happened long before we knew so.

But with that being said of WILD BROWNS not native to California. Your correct, but I never said anything about its being a DOMESTICATED BROWN did I??? I only mentioned the stocked Rainbow Trout which are truely domesticated trout which doesn't carry the same gene as every wild trout does.

But if your talking about pikes escaping into rivers, why other species can't escape. First of all, we have a little something called the CALIFORNIA DELTA. And that will even make them populate even more just like bass when it was first intro into the California Delta, right now the California Delta is filled with bass in every location you can think of. From the view of Davis, this means the river will be polluted with pikes killing a lot of species just like the Silver/Bighead taking over the rivers in MN in no time destroying habitat. You guys were in shock of it right??? But luckily the carp are not CARNIVORES so MN and other states didn't bother to do anything about it.

But what does being native has anything to deal with Lake Davis, you tell me about it. We don't need native species to have fun at fishing. But I know a native we have that the nation doesn't have but the west coast...THE MIGHTY WHITE STURGEON(and green sturgeon), and being a record of 20ft weighing over 1800lbs I don't think anyone will have a chance to catch these fellas without coming to the west coast. The only sturgeon I know of that other state has are Lake Sturgeon, Atlantic Sturgeon, Paddle Nose Sturgeon etc...

But I guess it sounds like your just talking from your point of view, how ignorant this is my friend, im through talking to someone who's got no idea what the state is doing and got no clue what is truely going on. All I see on this thread is people bashing California with their own thoughts and ideas without not even been to the Lake or HEARD of the Lake issues.
It's just like what many will do, when 1 guy jump off the bridge...everyone says "hey lets jump off the bridge too". Same exact pattern here.

P.S. The poison that is used for killing the pikes is human safe, research helps a bit more than bashing without an idea of anything.

kids and most adults dont care so much as what they catch just how many and how big, i widled away amany happy hours trolling aroung a lake up north catching 7-24 inch pike there nothing better when your a kid just toss it out hit the trolling motor and catch about 10 fish an hour sometimes more. as soon as it starts getting dark we fish for bass. wake up in the moarning and fish for bass again starts getting to light its back to pike fishing.

as i also said theres no way the pike ate all the bass most likly the bass eat early and late at night, while pike eat the most when the suns up.

 

[BIG_ONE]

Ummm, not sure what time bass up there eats. But here, they eat all day long and all night long. You just got to find where they are shifted during different time of day.

As goes for pikes, same thing...

P.S. After the poisoning, they found thousands of pikes 40"+ and hundreds of pikes 40lbs+...might give you an idea how large they are here. In every fish species(and I'm sure everyone should know this too) the bigger they are, the more aggressive they tend to be.

 

[MN_Rebel]

And you still complaining about 40 pounds pike? That is good trophy pike fishing around Davis Lake. Pike and Bass live in the SAME waterways for MILLIONS of years, so they should coexisted. And nobody cares about diseases, ALL FISH CARRYING DISEASES for sakes. And most fish diseases pose no threat to humans when cooked properly. Are you fisherman? Just wondering.

Plus the bighead/silver carp failed to take over Minnesota, just two fish were discovered. i just wondered why everybody in California still complaining about pike in a SINGLE LAKE. If they dont like, just go to different lake, simple. And pike are stay in California and you need to learn how to live with them just like others had to deal with Asian carps or snakeheads. Just build a dam or set up barrier to prevent pikes from entering the delta. Get ahead a step before the pike, not sit front of computer.

Plus pike tastes better than hatchery trout and bass anyways.

 

[BIG_ONE]

And you still complaining about 40 pounds pike? That is good trophy pike fishing around Davis Lake. Pike and Bass live in the SAME waterways for MILLIONS of years, so they should coexisted. And nobody cares about diseases, ALL FISH CARRYING DISEASES for sakes. And most fish diseases pose no threat to humans when cooked properly. Are you fisherman? Just wondering.

Plus the bighead/silver carp failed to take over Minnesota, just two fish were discovered. i just wondered why everybody in California still complaining about pike in a SINGLE LAKE. If they dont like, just go to different lake, simple. And pike are stay in California and you need to learn how to live with them just like others had to deal with Asian carps or snakeheads. Just build a dam or set up barrier to prevent pikes from entering the delta. Get ahead a step before the pike, not sit front of computer.

Plus pike tastes better than hatchery trout and bass anyways.

Not sure about pikes coexisting with bass, but remember bass aren't native to California either, but is sure one hell of a popular game species that doesn't thrive enough to overun any species anywhere. I don't think many pikes are suppose to be here when stocking bass that are like 10"+...im sure there's a difference between bass and pikes at 10"+. And the pikes are founded in lake davis not too long ago, during the mid 90s. Lake Davis has beenm stocked with bass way long before that.

And yes, im a fisherman...i cannot live without fishing. Heck, its sturgeon season here at the moment, just got to get my sturgeon tag and off i go after them dinosaur. Everyone complain about the pikes in the same lake due to the fact that every time they want to go there, all they catch is pikes all the time. But like I've mentioned before, many fisherman don't want to travel far just to fish. But one problem is that Lake Davis will loose profit and run out of business if the pikes are there and overpopulated, and no one wants to come to fish anymore because there is only pikes after pikes and after pikes. Im sure most of them will have fun at the beginning, but they will get sick and tired of it soon when they came there to target certain species. Remember here in California, its not the State that is paying for the trout stocking and bass stocking, its the owner of the lake who is doing so. But without profit, how can they re-stock the lake for making profit?

And yes, every single lake in california has dams, but remember the dams are always released yearly so the lake won't overflow after the snow melts and run off from the stream into every lake out there in California. Not sure how lakes in MN and other states are, but lakes here are connected to at least 2 source of water ways from streams to small rivers of endless running water.

But with that being said of building dams and doing everything to get ahead of the pikes, many have done and failed. We tried to outfish them, we tried traditional netting, we tried electric shocking them...they just kept out numbering all the fisherman and everything the department of fish and game has tried since the mid 90s. In the early 2000s they had stopped doing the project for a bit, until they re-acted it again in 2007, that's when the poisoning is involved. But like you said, act fast...SO THAT'S WHAT THE STATE DID AFTER NUMEROUS OF COMPLAINING.

But then I see many on here bashing the State of California as usual.