I wish they would leave the Northern Pikes there, would be awesome to catch them and throw them in a backyard pond. 
HAS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA LOST IT'S MIND
- Thread starter Tequila
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Well there worried about the pike getting into the river system and destroying the salmon population. To me thats kind of funny since they (the higher powers) are responsible for the Klamath River kill. Anyways thats it for me this is a fish website not a politics one.
davo;1130869; said:No... florida is a safe haven for all invasive non-native animals
So sadly true .
toehead11183;1135652; said:
Intensive Competition. A reward system for fisherman (women)(all ages) who catch and turn in the fish, even at $5 a fish it would have been cheaper. Grand Prize for most caught.
Dr Joe
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Oh My God...........I'm so happy some ppl decided to retrack there post about live in FL. I'm not sure how things got that far out of control but though I don't really live in FL full time. My parents do, ok anyway I see things have changed since I looked in from work earlier yesterday. Ok I'm calm now, really I am.
You know that in upstate NY Northren Pike have a size limit a quantity limit and open and a close season. I really don't think that California has really tried to get rid of these fish. For in the great lakes while I'm not sure I don't think that in the last 10 years theres been 65,000 fish taken. And the state of NY does nothing but complain about the fish we do take out of there streams and lakes.
If the State paid $2 or even a $1.50 a fish taken from this lake people would come and come to take fish out of this lake, no size limites take all you can carry plus you get a $1.50-$2 reward per fish. The State would have saved Millions.
Ok I gotta sound in on the "florida is a safe haven for all invasive non-native animals" This is the biggest reason I have gone to FL every year for the past 15 yrs. Fishing for Black Pacu's, Arowana's, various Chiclids, Large Mouth Bass, Peacock Bass, Oscars (Yes I know there Chiclids), Bowfins, and Gars from Plant City FL down and across to Miaim FL. What more could a Fishermen/Freshwater Aqurium nut want?, Heck everytime I wonder into a petshop in those areas, I wonder why the heck would anyone in this State ever need to buy any living thing from a petshop in FL. When I keep saltwater animals, I keep invertibrates. When I'm in FL I ask myself why buy when you can collect! I wish often that I lived there and had my 200G, my many 55G tanks andI often dream about turning my parents pool of 32Lx18Wx6D into an aquarium, it not like they swim in it.
I won't say anything about people living in FL and all the storms they deal with year after year or people living in California and all the brushfires and or forestfires, mudslides and the (Earthquakes) they have to deal withm well I won't even go there ok. I think that FL has alot to offer people that keep aquriums my they be fresh or salt.
You know that in upstate NY Northren Pike have a size limit a quantity limit and open and a close season. I really don't think that California has really tried to get rid of these fish. For in the great lakes while I'm not sure I don't think that in the last 10 years theres been 65,000 fish taken. And the state of NY does nothing but complain about the fish we do take out of there streams and lakes.
If the State paid $2 or even a $1.50 a fish taken from this lake people would come and come to take fish out of this lake, no size limites take all you can carry plus you get a $1.50-$2 reward per fish. The State would have saved Millions.
Ok I gotta sound in on the "florida is a safe haven for all invasive non-native animals" This is the biggest reason I have gone to FL every year for the past 15 yrs. Fishing for Black Pacu's, Arowana's, various Chiclids, Large Mouth Bass, Peacock Bass, Oscars (Yes I know there Chiclids), Bowfins, and Gars from Plant City FL down and across to Miaim FL. What more could a Fishermen/Freshwater Aqurium nut want?, Heck everytime I wonder into a petshop in those areas, I wonder why the heck would anyone in this State ever need to buy any living thing from a petshop in FL. When I keep saltwater animals, I keep invertibrates. When I'm in FL I ask myself why buy when you can collect! I wish often that I lived there and had my 200G, my many 55G tanks andI often dream about turning my parents pool of 32Lx18Wx6D into an aquarium, it not like they swim in it.
I won't say anything about people living in FL and all the storms they deal with year after year or people living in California and all the brushfires and or forestfires, mudslides and the (Earthquakes) they have to deal withm well I won't even go there ok. I think that FL has alot to offer people that keep aquriums my they be fresh or salt.
Tequila;1138550; said:
Hope your parents don't read that line above... they may charge you rent while your down here
.I agree it's great to be able to go out your back dor and catch all these fish, but after the invasives kill off the native filsh (what their using for food now) and destroy the native ecosystem that makes them so prolific, they will turn on themselves till the few are left and then they die off. Now our grandchildren are left with septic mud pools and a lesser appreciation of us. I think it would be greater to go to where these fish originated and see them in their natural habitat. And I don't think it's acceptable that if we can't afford to go there that we bring the here and release them.
Dr Joe
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Dr Joe;1141031; said:
Hmmmmm..... I think I was just trying to say that spending 25.2 Million dollars and poisioning the water supply just to kill off a few fish is CRAZY, NUTS, completely MORONIC - don't you think.
Florida on the other hand is dealing with there stupidness. By putting a sort of bounty on those fish they don't want. Like the walking catfish, in Florida you can catch as many as you want, size doesn't matter, time of year doesn't, heck how you catch them doesn't matter, as long as when you catch them that you don't return them to the water ALIVE if you don't wanna keep them! And simply tossing on the side doesn't count you have to cut there heads off or you can get a fine if caught returning a walker alive. Take a look at the Tilapia there all over the dam place and there surely not indigenous to Florida, I have seen people catch them by the cooler fulls (that's fourty gallon coolers), using 12 foot castnets. Taking them at any size and color, you want them take them anytime of year. Why because the state doesn't want them anymore. How did they get into the State of Florida, the State put them their because they where either pretty, or because they thought that they would help with the vegatation problem they have in Florida water ways.
But the one introduction that I love and remember the most, is from when I was a child of 11 or 12 yrs old and the State of Florida Fish & Game announced that it would introduce over 1,000,000 Oscars into the wild for the purpose of boosting the recreational fishing industry. Oh yes boys and girls I will never ever forget reading about that one in our local current event newspaper back in the 6th grade. Most of the invasive non-indigenous fish in the State of Florida where put there by the State it self, either by Fish & Game or Dept of Waterways and beautification or whatever they call themselves. Not by people dumping there too large to keep any longer pets. Not do to Storms and or flooding of various fish breeders property, though that has helped some species get there ie: Arowana's Blk Pacu's, Redtail Catfish, maybe even the beloved Snakehead and of course the walking catfish. But those fish are there in limited amounts, unlike Tilapia and Oscars, oh don't forget everyones favorite the Peacock Bass , they sure didn't swim from South America.
P.S. I would love to go to where thes fish originated and see them in their natural habitat, or at least somewhere I can catch some of the most veracious of them lie the Gaint Snakehead, and Arapiamas, Paroon Shark/Cats and other such oddities. But evertime I mention going to Thailand to someone, they think of some other sort of fishing. But theres a good chance of this happening next year, a friend has a house there now, so will see what happends next year.
A Thousand pardons for any non correctly spelled words, and or messed up grammer, I can't get my sectary to type this stuff for me.
As for the rent part, it's my house.
Thailand fishing is a go. I'll be there in march 08 for the mekong giant catfish, siamese giant carp, and the whole rest of the gang at Bung Sam Lan and Ratchaburi Lake (now stocked with hybrid TSNxRTC, Pbass, TSN, Arapaima's and tons more)
But back on topic. If they are so worried about it negatively impacting the local society financially they should quit shunning it and embrace it. You don't hear people complaining about peacock bass in south florida, you hear about guide services offering the only location in the US where you can catch the "brazilian giant peacock bass". People guide for musky and pike all over the north east, you'd think someone in Cali would have figured out that there is a profit to be made on this unnatural occurance instead of a massive debt/growing a 3rd arm because you let your city pour chemicals into your water source.
Also as its been said why waste that much money and time to kill the pike off when you're eradicating all the rest of the local species that will need just as much if not more time to recoup from the damage the poison caused. I don't know about yall but I would bet that its going to be a big suprise if it does work and all the fish die that when they restock it all the fish die again because they didn't have time to adequately restock the forage inverts/fish that feed the larger trout and other game fish or that their revered trout stay very small because of insufficient amount of food.
But back on topic. If they are so worried about it negatively impacting the local society financially they should quit shunning it and embrace it. You don't hear people complaining about peacock bass in south florida, you hear about guide services offering the only location in the US where you can catch the "brazilian giant peacock bass". People guide for musky and pike all over the north east, you'd think someone in Cali would have figured out that there is a profit to be made on this unnatural occurance instead of a massive debt/growing a 3rd arm because you let your city pour chemicals into your water source.
Also as its been said why waste that much money and time to kill the pike off when you're eradicating all the rest of the local species that will need just as much if not more time to recoup from the damage the poison caused. I don't know about yall but I would bet that its going to be a big suprise if it does work and all the fish die that when they restock it all the fish die again because they didn't have time to adequately restock the forage inverts/fish that feed the larger trout and other game fish or that their revered trout stay very small because of insufficient amount of food.
