OK..... is there more than ONE photo of any fully mature carp on this site? We surely are making a lot of summary judgments based on a bunch of juvies.
Herichthys carpintis "Vontehillo" info?
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This one looks absolutely gorgeous though I'm not sure of the variant not even sure if its carpintes but it looks like it. I'm sure Jeff Rapps could shed light on it, it is from his site.
looks escondido to me, because of the swiggle designs rather than pearls in face and gill platecichlidinsomniac;3858032; said:This one looks absolutely gorgeous though I'm not sure of the variant not even sure if its carpintes but it looks like it. I'm sure Jeff Rapps could shed light on it, it is from his site.
x2caribemob;3858101; said:looks escondido to me, because of the swiggle designs rather than pearls in face and gill plate
cchhcc;3857916; said:
My "Escondido" in breeding coat. He is now 9-10" and over 3years old from rapps. This pic is old, he was around 6-7" then
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179721
Heres an intersting thread.... nowt about Vonts tho.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=293643
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=293643
Jimmy Side eye;3862147; said:
Thanks for the thread. Good example of differences between the carpintis. I know all carpintis variants are the same fish but I think they vary enough to be able to distinguish one from the other. If some one is selling carpintis without a variant lacation and you wont buy it because you dont know which one it is, then its not just another slice of the pie.
Carpinte varients are - of course - the same species.
The question is whether the different varients (or more correctly names of varients) are the same (i.e. from the same location / watershed) or different...
For example, "escondito" and "la chareil" are, for all intents and purposes, the same place (i.e. the same watershed with water that mixes)....and thus two names for the same fish. I'm really interested in knowing from where - geographic locations - the various varients come.
There is enough variability within a single population of fish...to say nothing of morphological changes that come from aquarium life (e.g. larger size, higher body, etc.)...and the variability of exposures of photography to make identification of one varient vs. another from online pictures based on morphological characteristics simply not reliable.
Matt
The question is whether the different varients (or more correctly names of varients) are the same (i.e. from the same location / watershed) or different...
For example, "escondito" and "la chareil" are, for all intents and purposes, the same place (i.e. the same watershed with water that mixes)....and thus two names for the same fish. I'm really interested in knowing from where - geographic locations - the various varients come.
There is enough variability within a single population of fish...to say nothing of morphological changes that come from aquarium life (e.g. larger size, higher body, etc.)...and the variability of exposures of photography to make identification of one varient vs. another from online pictures based on morphological characteristics simply not reliable.
Matt
dogofwar;3873380; said:
GREAT post. Especially the last paragraph. Far too many times we tend to take a limited population of an aquarium strain and make broad statements about them as fact.
Thanks!
Another way to put it is that the location makes the fish...not the other way around
Matt
Another way to put it is that the location makes the fish...not the other way around
Matt
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