How has the coronavirus affected your personal life?
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Of course there is nothing in life that is free from risk. But the risk of getting COVID, dying from COVID or getting really sick from COVID if you're not vaccinated is much higher than getting a severe or deadly reaction from taking COVID.
For example, during December 14–23, 2020, monitoring by the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System detected 21 cases of anaphylaxis after administration of a reported 1,893,360 first doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (11.1 cases per million doses); 71% of these occurred within 15 minutes of vaccination (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7002e1.htm). 90% of the 21 cases occurred in women. And almost all of them occurred when people who received the vaccine were being observed... so the relative risk of a man having a serious or deadly reaction to the vaccine (different than not feeling good for a day or so) is very, very, very low. That is why the CDC and scientists study these things. And the FDA requires the conduct of clinical trials before the vaccine is available (through EUA or otherwise).
There are simply no incentives for scientists to cherry pick data or to push an unsafe vaccine onto millions of people. Especially when there are multiple vaccines available - in excess in the case of the US.
The problem isn't the vaccines; it's the misinformation that's convinced so many that the vaccines are "a gamble" (and that hydrocholoquine is "safe")...
For example, during December 14–23, 2020, monitoring by the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System detected 21 cases of anaphylaxis after administration of a reported 1,893,360 first doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (11.1 cases per million doses); 71% of these occurred within 15 minutes of vaccination (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7002e1.htm). 90% of the 21 cases occurred in women. And almost all of them occurred when people who received the vaccine were being observed... so the relative risk of a man having a serious or deadly reaction to the vaccine (different than not feeling good for a day or so) is very, very, very low. That is why the CDC and scientists study these things. And the FDA requires the conduct of clinical trials before the vaccine is available (through EUA or otherwise).
There are simply no incentives for scientists to cherry pick data or to push an unsafe vaccine onto millions of people. Especially when there are multiple vaccines available - in excess in the case of the US.
The problem isn't the vaccines; it's the misinformation that's convinced so many that the vaccines are "a gamble" (and that hydrocholoquine is "safe")...
It is also misinformation that there is "no recourse if there does turn out to be a problem for those of us who have taken the vaccines."
Will the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program provide compensation to individuals injured by COVID-19 vaccine?
COVID-19 vaccines are covered countermeasures under the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP), not the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP Act) authorizes the CICP to provide benefits to certain individuals or estates of individuals who sustain a covered serious physical injury as the direct result of the administration or use of covered countermeasures identified in and administered or used under a PREP Act declaration. The CICP also may provide benefits to certain survivors of individuals who die as a direct result of the administration or use of such covered countermeasures. The PREP Act declaration for medical countermeasures against COVID-19 states that the covered countermeasures are:
any antiviral, any drug, any biologic, any diagnostic, any other device, any respiratory protective device, or any vaccine manufactured, used, designed, developed, modified, licensed, or procured:
to diagnose, mitigate, prevent, treat, or cure COVID-19, or the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 or a virus mutating therefrom; or
to limit the harm that COVID-19, or the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 or a virus mutating therefrom, might otherwise cause;
a product manufactured, used, designed, developed, modified, licensed, or procured to diagnose, mitigate, prevent, treat, or cure a serious or life-threatening disease or condition caused by a product described in paragraph (a) above;
a product or technology intended to enhance the use or effect of a product described in paragraph (a) or (b) above; or
any device used in the administration of any such product, and all components and constituent materials of any such product.
Covered Countermeasures must be ''qualified pandemic or epidemic products,'' or ''security countermeasures,'' or drugs, biological products, or devices authorized for investigational or emergency use, as those terms are defined in the PREP Act, the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, and the Public Health Service Act, or a respiratory protective device approved by National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) under 42 CFR part 84, or any successor regulations, that the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services determines to be a priority for use during a public health emergency declared under section 319 of the Public Health Service Act.
The CICP is administered by the Health Resources and Services Administration, within the Department of Health and Human Services. Information about the CICP and filing a claim are available at the toll-free number 1-855-266-2427 or the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) website.
More information here: https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/faq
Will the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program provide compensation to individuals injured by COVID-19 vaccine?
COVID-19 vaccines are covered countermeasures under the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP), not the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP Act) authorizes the CICP to provide benefits to certain individuals or estates of individuals who sustain a covered serious physical injury as the direct result of the administration or use of covered countermeasures identified in and administered or used under a PREP Act declaration. The CICP also may provide benefits to certain survivors of individuals who die as a direct result of the administration or use of such covered countermeasures. The PREP Act declaration for medical countermeasures against COVID-19 states that the covered countermeasures are:
any antiviral, any drug, any biologic, any diagnostic, any other device, any respiratory protective device, or any vaccine manufactured, used, designed, developed, modified, licensed, or procured:
to diagnose, mitigate, prevent, treat, or cure COVID-19, or the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 or a virus mutating therefrom; or
to limit the harm that COVID-19, or the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 or a virus mutating therefrom, might otherwise cause;
a product manufactured, used, designed, developed, modified, licensed, or procured to diagnose, mitigate, prevent, treat, or cure a serious or life-threatening disease or condition caused by a product described in paragraph (a) above;
a product or technology intended to enhance the use or effect of a product described in paragraph (a) or (b) above; or
any device used in the administration of any such product, and all components and constituent materials of any such product.
Covered Countermeasures must be ''qualified pandemic or epidemic products,'' or ''security countermeasures,'' or drugs, biological products, or devices authorized for investigational or emergency use, as those terms are defined in the PREP Act, the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, and the Public Health Service Act, or a respiratory protective device approved by National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) under 42 CFR part 84, or any successor regulations, that the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services determines to be a priority for use during a public health emergency declared under section 319 of the Public Health Service Act.
The CICP is administered by the Health Resources and Services Administration, within the Department of Health and Human Services. Information about the CICP and filing a claim are available at the toll-free number 1-855-266-2427 or the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) website.
More information here: https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/faq
That's kind of the point, though. How many people actually have severe reactions to a vaccine (or hydrochloroquine) shouldn't be a "both sides" issue. It's a number. Like 2 + 2 = 4. On one side are people following the science. On the other are people making stuff up...
Key word: "shouldn't". Lots of contentious topics shouldn't be contentious, but people manage to make them so.
If it's possible to find people today who believe that the earth is flat...then finding those who ignore simple math and clear facts should be, and is, a piece of cake.
Never forget George Carlin's comment: Think of how stupid the average person is...and then remember that half the people you meet are even dumber than that...
Hello; Turns out I was both correct and mistaken about being on our own if we take the vaccine under emergency status. I was wrong in that there is a chance for compensation if you “sustain a covered serious physical injury” and are among “certain individuals or estates”. The site is linked so you can read for yourself. I also quoted some of the text and added bold highlights. I did not find what a definition of serious physical injury might be. I will guess that the day of being very ill after the second shot does not qualify. ( Note- I would not have claimed for that anyway.)
The injury or death has to be directly the result of the covered (vaccine in this discussion) countermeasure. So I stand corrected on that part.
I was correct in that we cannot sue for damages. If the health care providers are not actually acting with “willful misconduct” they are immune from liability as long as they meet requirements.
I learned something today anyway.
Quotes from the website follow;
Frequently Asked Questions | Official web site of the U.S. Health Resources & Services Administration (hrsa.gov)
“Will the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program provide compensation to individuals injured by COVID-19 vaccines?”
“ (PREP Act) authorizes the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) to provide benefits to certain individuals or estates of individuals who sustain a covered serious physical injury as the direct result of the administration or use of covered countermeasures identified”
“CICP also may provide benefits to certain survivors of individuals who die as a direct result of the administration or use of such covered countermeasures.”
“Does the CICP provide liability protections for health care providers administering the COVID-19 vaccine?”
“If all requirements set forth in the Secretary's declaration are met, a covered person is immune from liability except for "willful misconduct" with respect to all claims for loss caused by, arising out of, relating to, or resulting from the manufacture, testing, development, distribution, administration, and use of a COVID-19 vaccine.”
The injury or death has to be directly the result of the covered (vaccine in this discussion) countermeasure. So I stand corrected on that part.
I was correct in that we cannot sue for damages. If the health care providers are not actually acting with “willful misconduct” they are immune from liability as long as they meet requirements.
I learned something today anyway.
Quotes from the website follow;
Frequently Asked Questions | Official web site of the U.S. Health Resources & Services Administration (hrsa.gov)
“Will the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program provide compensation to individuals injured by COVID-19 vaccines?”
“ (PREP Act) authorizes the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) to provide benefits to certain individuals or estates of individuals who sustain a covered serious physical injury as the direct result of the administration or use of covered countermeasures identified”
“CICP also may provide benefits to certain survivors of individuals who die as a direct result of the administration or use of such covered countermeasures.”
“Does the CICP provide liability protections for health care providers administering the COVID-19 vaccine?”
“If all requirements set forth in the Secretary's declaration are met, a covered person is immune from liability except for "willful misconduct" with respect to all claims for loss caused by, arising out of, relating to, or resulting from the manufacture, testing, development, distribution, administration, and use of a COVID-19 vaccine.”
It's striking that there is so much variation among regions with regard to vaccination: "Huge disparities in vaccination rates are creating islands of vulnerability across the country"
Even though I'm fully vaccinated, I'm not really comfortable attending large events, especially with my (under 12) kids, who can't yet get vaccinated, until vaccination numbers are significantly higher across the board.
From the article:
"On Monday... Vermont had become the first state to vaccinate 80 percent of those eligible with at least one dose... By contrast, in Mississippi only 35 percent of the overall population has received at least one dose...
Where vaccine coverage is strong, the pandemic is receding. In the latest seven-day rolling averages, the Associated Press notes that 10 states with the fewest new infections have all fully vaccinated above the national average of 43 percent. But eight states — Alabama, Arkansas, Hawaii, Missouri, Nevada, Texas, Utah and Wyoming — have seen infections rise from two weeks earlier, and seven of them (all but Hawaii) have vaccination rates lower than the national average. Mississippi’s rate of new infections has declined, perhaps due to natural immunity, but experts point out that antibodies from previous infections may not protect as long as vaccines.
The summer months, with more fresh air and time outdoors, also may keep infections lower. But more than a third of the U.S. population older than 12 is unvaccinated, and those people are sitting ducks for infection. The new delta variant is significantly more contagious and may lead to more severe disease than the earlier variants. The average number of people each infected person passes a virus to, if nobody were immune and no one took precautions, is known as the R-naught number. For the original virus that broke out in Wuhan, China, it was 2.4 to 2.6. According to disease modelers at Imperial College, London, the figure for the delta variant is 5 to 8. While delta currently makes up only 6 percent of U.S. infections, that proportion will certainly grow. Delta already has caused Britain to delay its reopening.
The worry is that those who are hesitating to get vaccinated now will be sickened in the fall. Unbelievably, Virginia officials say fewer than half of state troopers are vaccinated — far too few. Also, according to tracking by the Kaiser Family Foundation, although racial disparities have narrowed since March, Black and Hispanic people have received smaller shares of vaccinations compared with their number of cases and their share of total population, and for Blacks, with their share of deaths. These are islands of vulnerability that no one should be willing to tolerate."
Even though I'm fully vaccinated, I'm not really comfortable attending large events, especially with my (under 12) kids, who can't yet get vaccinated, until vaccination numbers are significantly higher across the board.
From the article:
"On Monday... Vermont had become the first state to vaccinate 80 percent of those eligible with at least one dose... By contrast, in Mississippi only 35 percent of the overall population has received at least one dose...
Where vaccine coverage is strong, the pandemic is receding. In the latest seven-day rolling averages, the Associated Press notes that 10 states with the fewest new infections have all fully vaccinated above the national average of 43 percent. But eight states — Alabama, Arkansas, Hawaii, Missouri, Nevada, Texas, Utah and Wyoming — have seen infections rise from two weeks earlier, and seven of them (all but Hawaii) have vaccination rates lower than the national average. Mississippi’s rate of new infections has declined, perhaps due to natural immunity, but experts point out that antibodies from previous infections may not protect as long as vaccines.
The summer months, with more fresh air and time outdoors, also may keep infections lower. But more than a third of the U.S. population older than 12 is unvaccinated, and those people are sitting ducks for infection. The new delta variant is significantly more contagious and may lead to more severe disease than the earlier variants. The average number of people each infected person passes a virus to, if nobody were immune and no one took precautions, is known as the R-naught number. For the original virus that broke out in Wuhan, China, it was 2.4 to 2.6. According to disease modelers at Imperial College, London, the figure for the delta variant is 5 to 8. While delta currently makes up only 6 percent of U.S. infections, that proportion will certainly grow. Delta already has caused Britain to delay its reopening.
The worry is that those who are hesitating to get vaccinated now will be sickened in the fall. Unbelievably, Virginia officials say fewer than half of state troopers are vaccinated — far too few. Also, according to tracking by the Kaiser Family Foundation, although racial disparities have narrowed since March, Black and Hispanic people have received smaller shares of vaccinations compared with their number of cases and their share of total population, and for Blacks, with their share of deaths. These are islands of vulnerability that no one should be willing to tolerate."
.....stpped by a gun store the other day.There were quite a few customers inside and I was pleased to see that nobody was wearing a face diaper....not a single soul.
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