I am a believer!
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I just picked some up today at Canadian tire for 6.99 near the liquid plumber section. Mixing tonight and will be adding to my tanks tomorrow.
I'm 6+ years in myself. No issues, other than cleaner media at maintenance time. No issue with fish, including clown loaches. My other fish lay eggs and sometimes have new born fry swimming when I apply my doses, no issue.
I was mostly curious as to what others are doing regarding dosage rate/amounts.
Matteus
Matt - make sure to post your results in the following thread.
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I was mostly curious as to what others are doing regarding dosage rate/amounts.
Matteus
Matt - make sure to post your results in the following thread.The Use of Probiotics in Aquaculture
The use of probiotics in aquaculture has been around for decades but has gained some new popularity in the past few years due to a few fish food manufacturers incorporating some of these bacteria in their food. While numerous publications & studies about the use of probiotics and/or...
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Will do. I am already spreading the word amongst my local friends who aren’t on here as well. I can’t believe I missed this for so long.I'm 6+ years in myself. No issues, other than cleaner media at maintenance time. No issue with fish, including clown loaches. My other fish lay eggs and sometimes have new born fry swimming when I apply my doses, no issue.
I was mostly curious as to what others are doing regarding dosage rate/amounts.
The Use of Probiotics in Aquaculture
The use of probiotics in aquaculture has been around for decades but has gained some new popularity in the past few years due to a few fish food manufacturers incorporating some of these bacteria in their food. While numerous publications & studies about the use of probiotics and/or...
I still use rid-x after 2 years and swear by it, the only issue is when you start using it or if you don't use it for a while be careful you can cause an ammonia spike
I've never experienced any form of ammonia spike when using SeptoBac, in tanks that are well established, with well established bio filtration. In fact many years ago I first used SeptoBac to kick start the cycle on new tanks, when established media wasn't available. As explained in the following link, non-pathogenic, heterotrophic species of bacteria can be considered as biological aids to nitrification, due to the fact that heterotrophic bacteria can actually utilize ammonia. http://www.bioconlabs.com/autoheterobac.html
While the info in that link is factual, the authors of that article are also in the business of selling nitrifying bacteria for new set ups, so near the end they add a few of the potential bugaboos for using sludge reducing bacteria for cycling. One of them is as follows:
"Another negative aspect to heterotrophs is that under certain environmental conditions they can operate in the reverse direction. In other words, they can convert nitrate back to nitrites and ammonia through a process called dissimilation. This is generally an anaerobic process, but, can occur during periods when dissolved oxygen levels are very low (DO £ 2.0 ppm). Dissimilation is a part of the denitrification process. Denitrification is the conversion (reduction) of nitrites and nitrate to gaseous nitrogen (N2, NO, N20)."
So if one is experiencing an ammonia spike, I would suggest boosting your 02 levels. Under ideal conditions, an ammonia spike should never take place when using these types of bacteria.
HTH
Thinking about this more, if one added a very large amount of heterotrophic bacteria, to a tank with a very large organic load, the result could be similar to a bacterial bloom, which could cause a rise in ammonia.
Not something that I would personally recommend.
These products should be utilized as aids, not the be all to end all in tank maintenance.
T thefredpit - what is your dosage rate, and schedule?
Not something that I would personally recommend.
These products should be utilized as aids, not the be all to end all in tank maintenance.
T thefredpit - what is your dosage rate, and schedule?
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truthfully I just eyeball it and do add quite a bit of rid-x and the times I have had the ammonia spike were is situations where I did have alot of waste built up around caves and decorations because I had not used it with my weekly water changes for a while so there had been large build up because I keep heavily stocked tanks with heavy bioload fish like plecos
RD.
I was looking for something as a good substitute to septobac and came across something known as Effective Microorganisms (EM) bacteria
Upon reading, it seems like a combination of probiotic + septobac
Attached a few links for reference
Any thoughts?
(PDF) Effects of EM (effective microorganisms) cocktail’s on growth of fish, body weight, survival in Symphsodon Discus
PDF | EM (Effective Microorganisms) is a cocktail comprising microorganism such as phototropic bacteria, lactic acid bacteria, actinomycetes, fungies... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
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Aquaculture | EM Research Organization (EMRO)
EM Research Organization aim to build a sustainable society where everyone can live with peace of mind by harnessing the full potential of Effective Microorganisms (EM).
www.emrojapan.com
Effective Microorganisms for Aquaculture (Fish Farming and Crops grown in water)
Clean fish ponds, control odor, decrease NH3, increase DO with a single product! Learn more about Effective Microorganisms® for aquaculture at www.TeraGanix.com or call us toll free 866.369.3678.
www.teraganix.com
