I feel sorry for these kids

[frnchjeep]

God bless Amuurrica. What a dumb argument.

These kids are a complete waste of the oxygen we breath and they should rot in jail. The parents statements make them sound about as stand up as the children they attempted to raise.

Sad.

Thanks for your input.

We aren't arguing at all, more discussing different points of view on this interesting topic. Also, we are more or less using these kids as an example for our discussion of how our legal system functions. It isn't really about the kids. When it comes to the kids, we are ALL on the same page...useless POS's. If what we are discussing is a "dumb argument" to you, then see your way out of it.

 

[cyberwaste]

i dont feel sorry for them...

the interwebs ****ed people over before it will always happen again

 

[Bderick67]

In this case, evidence trumps victim testimony, as there was only one shot fired. The other two did not make him pull the trigger, and they did not pull the trigger themselves. Evidence proves it, so a testimony isn't necessary. They aren't responsible for the murder. They are responsible for the robbery.

A robbery that ended in death, because of their action's someone is dead.


Since we are having so much fun with this hypo stuff, lets try this one. Lets say a fourth, unnamed, accomplice posted the add on craigslist, but wasn't present for the robbery. Do you think that he should also be charged with murder for putting everyone in that situation, even though he wasn't there?

Yes, as he was part of the crime that resulted in someones death.

 

[frnchjeep]

Originally Posted by frnchjeep
In this case, evidence trumps victim testimony, as there was only one shot fired. The other two did not make him pull the trigger, and they did not pull the trigger themselves. Evidence proves it, so a testimony isn't necessary. They aren't responsible for the murder. They are responsible for the robbery.

A robbery that ended in death, because of their action's someone is dead.


Since we are having so much fun with this hypo stuff, lets try this one. Lets say a fourth, unnamed, accomplice posted the add on craigslist, but wasn't present for the robbery. Do you think that he should also be charged with murder for putting everyone in that situation, even though he wasn't there?

Yes, as he was part of the crime that resulted in someones death.

Right, but my argument is that their actions had no bearing on the gunman's actions. It is two different crimes acted out by two different people ( well, three, but you get the idea). You never answered Lep's question in post 38... I have a feeling that answering it might contradict your argument.

 

[Bderick67]

Right, but my argument is that their actions had no bearing on the gunman's actions. It is two different crimes acted out by two different people ( well, three, but you get the idea). You never answered Lep's question in post 38... I have a feeling that answering it might contradict your argument.

You could make that argument for maybe one of the three(Hypo fourth), but if the guy at home who planned it and the driver who drove. Did not partake then the guy does not die. Because without a plan or a way to get there, the gunman has no reason to be there or no way to get there. So this guy does not die. But they acted and their actions contributed to his death.

I did not reply to Lep's scenario because it is nonsensical. Not sure how you would steal WiFi during an armed robbery. I myself would not even have been part of any robbery. If I was with a friend/family member/stranger who suddenly tried to commit a crime of this nature I would be more apt to try and stop him then join him.

 

[jlnguyen74]

Since we are having so much fun with this hypo stuff, lets try this one. Lets say a fourth, unnamed, accomplice posted the add on craigslist, but wasn't present for the robbery. Do you think that he should also be charged with murder for putting everyone in that situation, even though he wasn't there?

Posting an ad is not a crime, is it? Should we charge Craigslist for approving their ad, too?

 

[Jon M]

but my argument is that

I have a feeling that answering it might contradict your argument.

We aren't arguing at all

Right, no argument. I'm gonna see my way out of this one and stick to the fish threads. Discussion about how out of whack the u.s. judicial system is is beating a dead horse. Enjoy fellas.

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

You could make that argument for maybe one of the three(Hypo fourth), but if the guy at home who planned it and the driver who drove. Did not partake then the guy does not die. Because without a plan or a way to get there, the gunman has no reason to be there or no way to get there. So this guy does not die. But they acted and their actions contributed to his death.

I did not reply to Lep's scenario because it is nonsensical. Not sure how you would steal WiFi during an armed robbery. I myself would not even have been part of any robbery. If I was with a friend/family member/stranger who suddenly tried to commit a crime of this nature I would be more apt to try and stop him then join him.

u didn't answer because it would contradict u right off ur high horse. Unrelated crimes not during a robbery. Lets try this. We are hanging out. We both get in a fight with someone. I pull a gun that you didnt know about, u tell me not to when I pull it and I fire once killing,the guy. Should u be charged with murder? You didnt know I was gonna do it. U didnt know about the gun.

Wanna answer all my scenarios now?

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[frnchjeep]

Right, no argument. I'm gonna see my way out of this one and stick to the fish threads. Discussion about how out of whack the u.s. judicial system is is beating a dead horse. Enjoy fellas.

You're right. It is beating a dead horse. It can be fun sometimes, though. This is the lounge. We're all just having fun. Relax.
Also, "arguing", and referring to an opinion as an "argument" are two very different things. Arguing implies aggression. Refering to your side of a debate as your argument does not. Big difference.

Posting an ad is not a crime, is it? Should we charge Craigslist for approving their ad, too?

That's my point. If you aren't going to stop at the actual gunman, where does it stop?

 

[jlnguyen74]

That's my point. If you aren't going to stop at the actual gunman, where does it stop?

It's not about where does it stop. It's about where did the crime begin

Trocha told reporters all three were equally responsible for the death, even though Abernathy is the only one accused of firing a gun.
"All of them participated in the robbery. The murder was part of this robbery in trying to escape," Trocha said. "It's as if they pulled the trigger themselves."