I HATE college

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stevenrox;3804942; said:
I'm sick of high school too...... people dont know the things we have to go through >.<"

b/c your the only one to ever go through HS, and have teen angst!~ oh noes!

Seriously though guys, just suck it up and get your school done. Would you rather be 22-23 years old and makeing 35k a year? And "happy" with your 1 bedroom apartment, KIA Rio, 125g aquarium, OR 22-23 years old makeing 70k+ each year? Nice middle class house, 500g tanks, rollin in a nice car? hmmmmm somthing to think about. No money cant buy happieness but it shure as hell goes a long to tward makeing life easier. I wont even start with income vs. women lol so just do yourself a favor and do SOME kind of higher education. Go to trade school and be a plumber, HVAC, Auto mechanic or w/e but do somthing that will get yourself above the poverty line.
 
If you quit now, 10, 20 years from now you'll realize how you F'd it all up and by then it will be too late. That's why all the adults always say, "go to college."

With more specialized fields, college does help. Others, moslty not. Sometimes it's just about having it on your resume. Some employers dont even care what it was in, just that you could and did do it, the responsible, smart thing.
 
the simple answer is you need some sort of skill set to have a real chance at being successful. unskilled laborers are a dime a dozen.

people go to college to further there skill set or hopefully open doors into it. if you dont have any skills i would definitely go to college or some training.
 
Knowdafish;3805239; said:
Getting a "job" and starting a business are two very different things!
There is just as much opportunity today in the business world as 10-15 years ago if not more so. More people = more demand for products and services!


agreed.

however, if one doesn't have an education, decides to start up a business, and it fails, they have nothing to fall back on.

the thing about education that is so unique is this:

once you obtain the education, no one can ever take it away from you.

its always on your resume.

they can fire you, they can lay you off, they can demote you.

but they can never take away the education/diploma that your earned.

it follows you around forever.

and ever. :)

as sort of a side note, my brother who is one of those I alluded to earlier in this thread about having a great career without actually finishing a formal education (he did one year of university and then dropped out) just lost his job yesterday after 12 years with his employer.

now without the education, he may find that he gets 'weeded out' in competing for jobs that pay similar because he doesn't meet the educational requirement that they have. :(


he will get something no doubt, but it won't pay what he was getting..:(

its really tough out there folks. even though they talk about the recession being 'over' companies are still cutting back all over the place..
 
I have to respond to the above post about failing and having nothing to fall back on

My first restaurant dropped me for 250,000.00. A true failure, yet did I have nothing to fall back on since I decided that college was a load of cow pucky and did not finish it. The same with other higher forms of education where free thought and individuality were not only frowned upon but seen as a detriment.

NO NO NO.

First, to reiterate. If there is no chance of failure you are not taking enough risk.

To quote Henry Ford- "There is a reason why I have made the rearview mirror so small and the front windshield so big!"

I took my lessons from the school of failure and learned well. I took a break and went to serving tables for 3 years. Then I jumped right back into owning a restaurant. There is ample oppourtunities for success out there you just have to have drive, passion and vision. And not expect to live a high life in the first few years.

I am sorry but I do not agree that school is an absolute need.

How many people out there got their education and found a great job, with only one draw back. They hate their job, sure it pays the bills, sure it gives them financial freedom and security. Yet, deep down within they lack fulfillment and satisfaction, always being knawed at by the what if factor.

Freedom comes with a price that is for sure, but it is well worth the cost when you outweigh the cost to benefit.

Take where I am. My wife and kids can come hang out with me whenever they want all day long if they want.

Sure we own and drive a 1985 suburban and a 1991 suburban, BUT THEY ARE PAID FOR!!!! Sure we could own brand new off the lot top of the line vehicles but really are they a need?? Why did I choose older cars/trucks?
Well I can fit a 7 ft tank in the back with ease and own the older vehicle enabled us to work on owning these

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I pick the last one up mid spring as by then it is fully paid for.

I love how those who push education being a must say people without education get no where. How people who say it is an absolute need say in today's world you will not rise above without it. Now I am not saying that people on this thread are saying that, but, rather that I have met more than my share of people who have said this.

Matter of factly, I can recall people who scoffed when I stepped out to go into business in 1998. Talking all kinds of smack when I started. Boy you should have heard them talk when I lost the 1/4 million and such with the first restaurant. So I took a week off just to rest up and I had a waitering job 2 days into the second week, (making 70,000.00 per year working part time).

Still to this day I do not regret dirtnapping with my first business, I still retain over 150,000.00 in capital loss tax write off's. So much for those who told me I had to do bankruptcy.

I will finish off with saying one thing. When I think of the education route versus the work route. An image of 2 types of horses comes to mind A RACE HORSE and A WORK HORSE.

People spend all that time in stasis in school and then come out of the shoot with a bang( but how much debt and stress come with them) and people who choose the other road put their heads down and pull the load with one thing accomplishing the task at hand.

TO THE ORIGIONAL POSTER:
You must follow your heart and dreams, for without them you are but a shell of a human being never knowing true life is found in the living of it. If you sell out your heart and dreams you have traded life for existance, much like selling your birthright for a bowl of stew!!!!!!

If it be that school is for you go for it find the right school. If not you will find what it is that you are meant to be and do. Above all things in this world do not put your soul on the market, above all things to your own self be true so that at the end of the day and your life for that matter you can look in the mirror and know that you have not mispent yourself.
 
stevenrox;3804942;3804942 said:
I'm sick of high school too...... people dont know the things we have to go through >.<"
what a whiny brat. ooooooooooh you go to school from 8-2, most of the time is hanging out with your friends, chasing girls, screwing around in auto, wood, and metal shop, writing 3-page papers (which btw at work i write emails longer than that LOL) and you still complain. wait till you grow up, you have no idea

:ROFL:
 
Pharaoh;3798988; said:
Keep in mind, people can get by in life without going to college. You can and will be able to pay your bills for $10-$13 dollars an hour. I have many friends that do so. Some get lucky and get a decent job. A college degree is a must to make any real salary in the future. The ones that realized it isn't enough are now back in college. The thing to remember is whether or not you will be at your current job until you retire. If you can somehow pull it off, you would be one of the lucky few.

I have been in college for going on 8 years. It is a true test of your endurance. Employers understand what it takes. The willingness to stick with it is what really gets you the job.

Pharaoh is right,

College really shows employers that you were consistent in something, it shows discipline... not everyone can stuck it out in 4-5 years or more of college education. But whats also important is that College proofs to Employers that your trained for the career field you want, "Im assuming your taking subjects that pertain to your own interest". That is very important....

Having a subject area that you like and enjoy will compensate for the "Stress + HW" your having.. Also, know that not ALL college classes requires homework per se. Some require you to do a project or papers... Of course home work is one example of testing your knowledge of the subject matter your studying.. But i can say that not ALL college classes are like this..

I will agree that working & schooling is very stressful, i've done it.. while i was in college... There were times that i wanted to cry and not study because it was stressful.. I remember writing back to back papers for a final exam BECAUSE professors decided to go for an early vacation :irked:
But it did taught me to prioritize time and endurance.. Course i had to sleep 10 hours + the next day after the back to back papers.... But in a way.. thats what college is.. endurance...

And these skills cannot be taught..... and employers will see that.. because some of them have gone through those experience... And THAT just might be the extra edge u need to get the job from the other candidate..

Also, Take some time and plan out ur future, best of luck! :)
 
chefjamesscott;3809319; said:
I have to respond to the above post about failing and having nothing to fall back on

My first restaurant dropped me for 250,000.00. A true failure, yet did I have nothing to fall back on since I decided that college was a load of cow pucky and did not finish it. The same with other higher forms of education where free thought and individuality were not only frowned upon but seen as a detriment.

NO NO NO.

First, to reiterate. If there is no chance of failure you are not taking enough risk.

To quote Henry Ford- "There is a reason why I have made the rearview mirror so small and the front windshield so big!"


I am sorry but I do not agree that school is an absolute need.

How many people out there got their education and found a great job, with only one draw back. They hate their job, sure it pays the bills, sure it gives them financial freedom and security. Yet, deep down within they lack fulfillment and satisfaction, always being gnawed at by the what if factor.

Freedom comes with a price that is for sure, but it is well worth the cost when you outweigh the cost to benefit.

Take where I am. My wife and kids can come hang out with me whenever they want all day long if they want.


I love how those who push education being a must say people without education get no where. How people who say it is an absolute need say in today's world you will not rise above without it. Now I am not saying that people on this thread are saying that, but, rather that I have met more than my share of people who have said this.

Matter of factly, I can recall people who scoffed when I stepped out to go into business in 1998. Talking all kinds of smack when I started. Boy you should have heard them talk when I lost the 1/4 million and such with the first restaurant. So I took a week off just to rest up and I had a waitering job 2 days into the second week, (making 70,000.00 per year working part time).

Still to this day I do not regret dirtnapping with my first business, I still retain over 150,000.00 in capital loss tax write off's. So much for those who told me I had to do bankruptcy.

I will finish off with saying one thing. When I think of the education route versus the work route. An image of 2 types of horses comes to mind A RACE HORSE and A WORK HORSE.

People spend all that time in stasis in school and then come out of the shoot with a bang( but how much debt and stress come with them) and people who choose the other road put their heads down and pull the load with one thing accomplishing the task at hand.

TO THE ORIGIONAL POSTER:
You must follow your heart and dreams, for without them you are but a shell of a human being never knowing true life is found in the living of it. If you sell out your heart and dreams you have traded life for existance, much like selling your birthright for a bowl of stew!!!!!!

If it be that school is for you go for it find the right school. If not you will find what it is that you are meant to be and do. Above all things in this world do not put your soul on the market, above all things to your own self be true so that at the end of the day and your life for that matter you can look in the mirror and know that you have not misspent yourself.

Excellent post!
(I condensed it a little)


To me.......

A job = slavery. It is being told what to do, how to do it, and how often to do it; being told when you can eat, drink and go to the bathroom and being told when you can go on vacation and for how long. My father, who had his 1st business in the 1930's, and made more money as a teenager than his father who had a "job", worked for himself for 40+ years and told me job stands for "Jack*** Of the Boss! He had a college degree too, but never used the majority of the information he studied as his major. After working for someone else, and then enjoying the freedom and the $$ of working for myself, I will ALWAYS choose the latter!!

If you have a job, it pays "good money", and you enjoy it, more power to you! The government needs all the voluntary taxpayers it can get!

There is another way, and it can bring you alot of freedom and joy if you have the guts to go after it! Sadly, the majority of the population has been programmed to think differently. They have been programmed to think in order to be successful they must get a college education and a job., and it is not even close to being true!


"Watch what the masses are doing, and run, don't walk, the other way"
 
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