wow....its happend again! except this time some things were a little differrent. I read about ph being an important breeding factor, so I boosted it up from 7.0 to 8.2. WOW!! it was like I put spanish fly in the water or something. lol They almost immediately started in with the mating stuff and here I am less than a week later with lots of eggs. Some of the biggest changes from the last breeding attempts are that niether really showed any breeding colors, he was very active during her laying process, meaning he was right beside her rubbing where she was rubbing, and the biggest differrence of all was that my man's junk dropped down and that never happend during all the other times she laid for him. I have seen just one white egg, where the last time most of them were white, so all of this and the fact that both of them are guarding the eggs, as apposed to just her, leads me to believe i will have some babies shortly. If you just took all the time to read that then thank you.