I need help

[xinchavoc]

heres a few more pics hope you guys can help hes lookin worse and i cant lose another fish any ideas? An deven if i islolate him i still dont know whats wrong with it or even how to treat it?

 

[Aquanero]

If you want another opion PM Lupin he's very good.

 

[xinchavoc]

If you want another opion PM Lupin he's very good.

hanks aquanero your a big help its just hes not improving... i just sent Lupin a PM..

 

[Lupin]

IME columnaris hasn't looked like skin peeling exactly, it looks like white slime with small stringy trails coming off the fins. Hard to tell from the OP pics. I treated it successfully with kanamyacin.

Good news is most bacterial infections are treated similarly. You should actually take the heat down if it's columnaris, it grows much faster at high temps. This is an issue if you were trying to treat a different disease with high heat, obviously (one of the reasons I don't like heat/salt treatments sometimes). Research different pics of bacterial infections, and treat with the recommended antibiotic.

If you go back and look at the isleta, you can still see white skin sloughing off of it. It appears very similar to this fish. In discus it's often referred to as "columnaris," but this is often a blanket term for any number of diseases that cause the slime coat to peel away. I have no idea how to diagnose or treat it, I just wanted to share the opinion that it's an illness rather than damage from fighting like you spectulated with the isleta. Also, like I mentioned before, I do not think this is ich. This looks a lot worse than ich. I could be wrong, though.

Sigh...This is columnaris, guys. Aclockworkorange is right and so is ryansmith83. Way worse than ich. The odd thing about these two is that they are symbiotic with each other. When the ich attempts to infiltrate the bloodstream, the columnaris bacteria follows along. It seems the bacteria successfully did the job at all.

There's no point trying salt alone since this is advancing the fish but you can dose a teaspoon per gallon of it and add the second set in the next 12 hours. Stop there to total two teaspoons per gallon. Add the kanamycin after you're done with the first set of salt.

Make sure salt does NOT have yellow prussiate of soda in it. Iodine as additive is fine but that's it. You can try aquarium salt, pickling salt or rock salt.

Keep water well aerated and stick temp to 78 degrees. Any elevation will actually speed up the advanced process. I've noticed this before. Columnaris seems to overwhelm fish very fast in high temperature.

 

[Toronto Raptors]

Is this fish in the same tank that your Red Isletas was in? I'm not sure what happened, but I do know that if I get ick in any of my tanks I do NOT use medicine at all. I just add salt and raise the temp to 86 for a couple of weeks. That always has done the trick for me. Just my personal exp though. Maybe the medicine has something to do with both fish... if they were in the same tank that is.

Yeah I do something similar to that. Turn the temp up and add salt.

 

[love The Jack Dempseys]

the same thing happened to mine. just give it a few weeks and it should perk up again

 

[xinchavoc]

Sigh...This is columnaris, guys. Aclockworkorange is right and so is ryansmith83. Way worse than ich. The odd thing about these two is that they are symbiotic with each other. When the ich attempts to infiltrate the bloodstream, the columnaris bacteria follows along. It seems the bacteria successfully did the job at all.

There's no point trying salt alone since this is advancing the fish but you can dose a teaspoon per gallon of it and add the second set in the next 12 hours. Stop there to total two teaspoons per gallon. Add the kanamycin after you're done with the first set of salt.

Make sure salt does NOT have yellow prussiate of soda in it. Iodine as additive is fine but that's it. You can try aquarium salt, pickling salt or rock salt.

Keep water well aerated and stick temp to 78 degrees. Any elevation will actually speed up the advanced process. I've noticed this before. Columnaris seems to overwhelm fish very fast in high temperature.

i used aquarium salt a 2 days ago and the temp is like 82 im gonna lower it. will kanamycin affect my other fish?

 

[Lupin]

Best separate the healthy ones from the sick one but continue the salt for another 10 days for the healthy ones as a precaution. Keep temperature for both cases at 78 degrees at least. Don't give the columnaris what it wants...high temp to quickly overwhelm your other fish. We'll have to slow down this one as columnaris is too involved.

 

[xinchavoc]

Does this disease spread? so this disease usually follows up after ick? should i add more salt? would you recomend a water change i did one 4 days ago.

 

[Lupin]

Does this disease spread? so this disease usually follows up after ick? should i add more salt? would you recomend a water change i did one 4 days ago.

Do water change, yes. And no, don't add more salt. Kanamycin is more effective with less salt.

Yes, the symbiotic feeling between these two makes columnaris secondary to ich. It always is. It's why when there are cases of columnaris, the first questions I asked are regarding the injury or parasite history. Same with fungus. They can't just establish themselves without anything else to inflict damage on the slime coat of your fish. It's the slime coat that is protecting them from infections.