Invasive Species South FL Non Profit

[armac]

You lived in Florida for years.

Do you disagree when I say non natives are as a whole not the problem and actually if anything take a tiny toll, mostly can live where non natives have been driven out?

I just think the non natives are there to stay. I enjoyed catching them, ate a lot of oscars and mayans. People have a tendency to get all fired up and think they can change the world, aint gonna happen

I lived in Florida for 30 years, I know the first pit on old 41 that had mayans. I caught them and sold them to all the fish stores in Ft Myers, now the mayans are all over the place.

Threads like this come and they go, I just laugh and move on.

To answer your question, man has changed the entire landscape of Florida, if any wildlife can still live there, God Bless Them.

 

[Louie]

Thanks . I see that more and more destruction of such fantastic nature found only here and feel that is the real killer of natives .

Plus I would like a python picture before all caught and removed lol

 

[Louie]

Catch me a Macaw!
Really though, this is a great idea. If you can get the proper licenses/permits to export these animals to places where they are legal as pets or otherwise it could become quite profitable. Having to kill them all would make me inclined to let nature take its course.
Yes, it is nature. Within our own lifetimes it is startling to see ecosystems transformed by displaced species but over larger periods of time these changes are very natural. Animals travel and evolve, whether by floating to new continents on pieces of driftwood, or by human intervention. I think it's kind of remarkable that these animals can survive there with all those damn gators.

Though lots of Florida ESP S. Florida is being built there is still tons of wild areas and I can see how they can easily survive.
I just dont believe there are so many based on what park rangers tell me and several air boat rides looking for one not to mention swamp hike outings .
Its easier to find monkeys .

I am no expert but the rangers and air boat guys are.

 

[OnceLoyal]

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The boas (you mean pythons) and monitors are far from out of control and no big deal.
Did you know that last like so many pythons caught here was staged .
http://www.theledger.com/article/20090813/NEWS/908139969/1410?Title=Trapper-Admits-Python-Hoax

Most non natives have filled a niche that natives could no longer live in.
Canals being man made and great for cichlids while way way to hot for natives.
I doubt every snake head combined has put the slightest dent in natives . ESP since so limited .

I don't know a person who has ever seen a python by the Glades including park rangers . Yes they are there but nothing compared to what hysterical Gvnr Nelson says.

Fight the bulldozer and development run off and chemicals which Green tree frogs cant handle but much hardier Cuban tree's can. Fight the tree's being cut down which remove homes for green Anoles thus brown anoles move in.
Pythons aren't taking a toll on gator's there are so many of them that many leave the Glades looking for new homes only to be destroyed when they reach a certain size.

Even FWC now admits most don't.

The non natives are here to stay its the construction that is hurting the natives Esp in S. Florida NOT non natives.

I appreciate your response. I did ask for opinions although I did not expect personal attacks, and to me I take this as an attack.
There are Boas here in south Florida. I have caught a few babies in my buddies back yard maybe someone had a pair breed and said hmmm screw this and tossed them out? I would think someone would try to sell them but maybe not., as there are anacondas, pythons, nile monitors, and savannah. I do think they are an issue. If the eco system doesn't adapt then yes it can destroy the natural state. THIS IS HOW SPECIES BECOME EXTINCT!!! The monitors do eat eggs. I work in aviation and I use to deal directly with the FWC out of Ft. Lauderdale exc so I know what the FWC deals with (at least in my area) I worked directly with some pilots that fly there little helicopters (R-44s) that work with alligator research and some of the alligator farmers/trappers. They are having a problem in some areas with nests getting invaded by monitors. maybe this is an isolated incident. This isn't anything new, this has been going on since the opened up MIA International. Especially during the 70s. There are freekin monkeys that have adapted in some parts and are breeding. When you drive down a road and see 7 or so monkeys on the side of the road I don't think that is staged. I am sure this is an isolated incident also.
Snakeheads...Well, if you read some of the earlier posts lets get together and I can show you 2 lakes that are totally dominated by snakeheads...They have completely wiped out the population of native fish. Maybe this is an isolated incident also, but it does exist.
The question is how long do you let things go? Do we say screw it and let nature fix what we have messed up?? I don't really think that is right.....That would be like us going over to the middle east tearing everything up and then saying see ya guys and good luck. It will work out....IT ALWAYS WORKS OUT.
I agree with you that construction is far worse than the introduction to non-native species. You want to go to war with the freekin cuban mafia and try to stop billions of dollars then go for it. I myself don't think the time spent would be worth the outcome.... I think the time could be much better spent in other areas.
BTW if you do a little more research on the Cuban tree frog versus the Green you should be able to see that our chemicals are not the most prominent reason for the Cubans dominating.
I might sound a little contradicting in what I am about to say, but I always try to remain honest.... I am one of the first people to say I love our exotics!!!! I have a pair of Knight Anole outside my house right now. I think it is cool as hell to go fishing and never know what your going to catch. I think it is cool to see monkeys and a huge population of Macaws 1 block away from where I live. The problem for me starts when the start to dominate and kill of the natives which so far I will just state in isolated areas it has occured. You don't think this is possible to spread or happen else where??If you can answer that you are one of the smarter people I've had the privilege of posting with Also don't get me worn in thinking I am like !!!!!OMG WERE BEING TAKEN OVER!!!!!!!!!! This would take decades or even centuries, but as stated before, I don't think it is right to mess something up and then walk away from it. Exotics are here to stay. They always will be. There is no reason to say that we shouldn't try to help regulate what we have messed up.
Again for the construction I agree 100% .... To be honest I hate the city. I was born on an Orange Grove(organic for all you tree huggers!!!), and was somewhat raised off the land. So I am 100% with you on that. I just don't think that is my area. Finished with my book. Sorry for the long post.

 

[OnceLoyal]

Disregard this guy he is just talking, he has went from "non profit" to "for profit" next it will be a charity.............just humor him.

The government could not remove snakheads from one small area in Virginia, this guy is going to take on the entire Everglades............good stuff

Wow!! You guys seem to miss the whole point. I am not waiving a frikin HERO flag or anything saying I am taking on the whole everglades or anything.
Non Profiit can actually be profitable... I don't recall stating that I am going to give up my house and everything else and devote my life to saving the planet do you? Yes I want to make money. Enough money to live..

I am not talking about removing a whole frigin species either. I am talking about regulation.. Is it so wrong for someone to try and work in an environment he likes, and try to make a small difference??

 

[OnceLoyal]

.BTW Reverse, you obviously have so much knowledge on this subject. Are you aware of any Non-profit or other organizations that are doing the same thing?

LOL, be careful I am setting a trap!!!!!!!


To answer your question, man has changed the entire landscape of Florida, if any wildlife can still live there, God Bless Them Hmmm,

I think that is very hard to disagree with.....

 

[Louie]

I appreciate your response. I did ask for opinions although I did not expect personal attacks, and to me I take this as an attack.
There are Boas here in south Florida. I have caught a few babies in my buddies back yard maybe someone had a pair breed and said hmmm screw this and tossed them out? I would think someone would try to sell them but maybe not., as there are anacondas, pythons, nile monitors, and savannah. I do think they are an issue. If the eco system doesn't adapt then yes it can destroy the natural state. THIS IS HOW SPECIES BECOME EXTINCT!!! The monitors do eat eggs. I work in aviation and I use to deal directly with the FWC out of Ft. Lauderdale exc so I know what the FWC deals with (at least in my area) I worked directly with some pilots that fly there little helicopters (R-44s) that work with alligator research and some of the alligator farmers/trappers. They are having a problem in some areas with nests getting invaded by monitors. maybe this is an isolated incident. This isn't anything new, this has been going on since the opened up MIA International. Especially during the 70s. There are freekin monkeys that have adapted in some parts and are breeding. When you drive down a road and see 7 or so monkeys on the side of the road I don't think that is staged. I am sure this is an isolated incident also.
Snakeheads...Well, if you read some of the earlier posts lets get together and I can show you 2 lakes that are totally dominated by snakeheads...They have completely wiped out the population of native fish. Maybe this is an isolated incident also, but it does exist.
The question is how long do you let things go? Do we say screw it and let nature fix what we have messed up?? I don't really think that is right.....That would be like us going over to the middle east tearing everything up and then saying see ya guys and good luck. It will work out....IT ALWAYS WORKS OUT.
I agree with you that construction is far worse than the introduction to non-native species. You want to go to war with the freekin cuban mafia and try to stop billions of dollars then go for it. I myself don't think the time spent would be worth the outcome.... I think the time could be much better spent in other areas.
BTW if you do a little more research on the Cuban tree frog versus the Green you should be able to see that our chemicals are not the most prominent reason for the Cubans dominating.
I might sound a little contradicting in what I am about to say, but I always try to remain honest.... I am one of the first people to say I love our exotics!!!! I have a pair of Knight Anole outside my house right now. I think it is cool as hell to go fishing and never know what your going to catch. I think it is cool to see monkeys and a huge population of Macaws 1 block away from where I live. The problem for me starts when the start to dominate and kill of the natives which so far I will just state in isolated areas it has occured. You don't think this is possible to spread or happen else where??If you can answer that you are one of the smarter people I've had the privilege of posting with Also don't get me worn in thinking I am like !!!!!OMG WERE BEING TAKEN OVER!!!!!!!!!! This would take decades or even centuries, but as stated before, I don't think it is right to mess something up and then walk away from it. Exotics are here to stay. They always will be. There is no reason to say that we shouldn't try to help regulate what we have messed up.
Again for the construction I agree 100% .... To be honest I hate the city. I was born on an Orange Grove(organic for all you tree huggers!!!), and was somewhat raised off the land. So I am 100% with you on that. I just don't think that is my area. Finished with my book. Sorry for the long post.

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I don't see a word in my post that's a personal attack.

Either way the canals and countless golf course ponds are man made . Its way to HOT in either for native fish. The cichlids ,etc have for the most part filled an empty niche .

Even the non natives found in larger bass owned lakes are no big deal. The only fish I have seen shove adult sunfish out of nests in lakes has been gvmt introduced grass carp which get huge.

Cichlids and tropical's cant expand up North in to the state as to cold come winter. As you know there is a temp difference between Orlando,etc in Feb and Miami

As far as native herps go its the lack of green that is culling their numbers and the non natives move in . There is lots of green in my area and few farms .
Yes we have Cuban trees but way more green trees who are much faster than the slow Cuban tree's. The Cubans wont curtail their numbers they mostly eat house geckoes(another harmless non native) and they eat each other.

I don't work for Cuban tree frogs lol but use them as an example. I don't doubt you saw boas but they are not established . Could be released pet . I myself doubt the python numbers are anything close to what they say based on what actual park rangers and air boat guys have told me. They have never seen them.

When you come knock yourself out you wont make a difference and I for one am glad because these animals are harmless as far as any real negative environmental impact.

S. Florida ESP Miami has NO CONCEPT of keeping wild lands wild its a place where politicians and their families get involved in state wild land real estate and make a profit for themselves and that is the real killer of fauna here not non natives. I did PM you on one thing you said that we agree on.

The non native animals are one of the best things about this place and bring in revenue as many come to fish cichlids not just PB.

This particular place is loaded with native corns and rat snakes . After its sold and developed it will be loaded with knight anoles and they "get blamed" for the natives demise.
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[OnceLoyal]

Louie, I reread your post and I agree you never personally attacked me. I was probably just venting so my apologies. I agree with you more than you think on a lot of the points and will leave it at that. I will however continue on my adventure. I am out on airboats pretty often. The adventure I am going on can take years to get up and running, but the paper work will be submitted soon and we will see whaty happens. No hard feeling and my apologies again for taking you out of context

 

[armac]

.BTW Reverse, you obviously have so much knowledge on this subject. Are you aware of any Non-profit or other organizations that are doing the same thing?

LOL, be careful I am setting a trap!!!!!!!


To answer your question, man has changed the entire landscape of Florida, if any wildlife can still live there, God Bless Them Hmmm,

I think that is very hard to disagree with.....

That was not a question..............

Oh and "not for profit" cannot generate a profit, that is how they maintain their tax free status. It can pay salaries but not produce a pure profit, but I am sure a sharp cookie like you would know that.

 

[OnceLoyal]

Are you aware of any Non-profit or other organizations that are doing the same thing?
Thats the question!!

Oh and "not for profit" cannot generate a profit, that is how they maintain their tax free status. It can pay salaries but not produce a pure profit, but I am sure a sharp cookie like you would know that.

Very good!!!!, but the obvious point is money gets spread around..