FunWow!;2550900; said:
there are reports that there are wild asian aros make their way in the market, certifcateless arowanas are not that expensive than a farm bred ones
killing asian arowanas???
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there are reports that there are wild asian aros make their way in the market, certifcateless arowanas are not that expensive than a farm bred ones
Where do you think the black market gets their aros? buying em from farms or taking em from wild? Even if the ban is released off the US, there wont be enough farms to supply the US which means theres going to be MORE people pulling wild asian aros from the wild and bringing them to US and this time they WONT be stopped. The main point here is , THERE ARENT ENOUGH FARMS TO PROVIDE EVERYONE WITH ASIAN AROS. And plus the US climate isnt suitable with breeding asian aros so US farms are out of the question. What's left to do other than pull aros from the wild?FunWow!;2552402; said:
still tho more farms could be set up. no new farm would take the time to breed wild ones into colored ones they wouldn't have the time they'd have to buy fish that already came from farms. I really do think that the ban and the killing is really stupid
bfhslilred93;2560488; said:
even though that these new farms have adult stocks it dosent mean that it will breed right away. you really need to wait for a long time for these fish to breed.. and it was said that it is impossible to breed these fish in your country. these arowanas dont breed like guppy and mollies.
Climate is one thing, but anyone willing to make large, indoor breeding facilities could get it done in the US.
And there still is Hawaii and the southern most states to consider.
That said, YES, farms help a lot of animals. And these farms don't need to release to the wild to do so, because they avert attention away from wild populations. This has been the situation with crocodiles, though fear still drives illegal pouching. For Asian aros, it's pretty much the same case. Except here, market attention is being directed towards captive-bred, farm raised stocks, so not much attention is being directed to wild-caught populations because these are not anywhere near as beautiful as the farm bred stock.
BTW, most of the appeal comes from these farm-raised animals and not the wild stock. And if anything, all the illegal cases I've seen and the arrests I've heard pertained to someone smuggling Crossback Goldens and Reds.
As far as certificateless aros go, I've also heard a number of "backyard breeders" of Aros as well. They don't have certificates because the guys are just higher than average joes with ponds big enough to consolidate breeding. Again, I'm just pointing out another source for paperless Asians.
To Pressure_Cooker:
Of course you'll have to give it time. About the only problem I've ever heard with getting Asian Aros to breed is that you have to get them to pair up before any breeding starts (Similar behavior is exhibited in Channa). That's exactly why they dump a lot in a pond.
And also, if someone could breed SA or AU Aros in the states, I don't see how they can't do it with Asians.
And there still is Hawaii and the southern most states to consider.
That said, YES, farms help a lot of animals. And these farms don't need to release to the wild to do so, because they avert attention away from wild populations. This has been the situation with crocodiles, though fear still drives illegal pouching. For Asian aros, it's pretty much the same case. Except here, market attention is being directed towards captive-bred, farm raised stocks, so not much attention is being directed to wild-caught populations because these are not anywhere near as beautiful as the farm bred stock.
BTW, most of the appeal comes from these farm-raised animals and not the wild stock. And if anything, all the illegal cases I've seen and the arrests I've heard pertained to someone smuggling Crossback Goldens and Reds.
As far as certificateless aros go, I've also heard a number of "backyard breeders" of Aros as well. They don't have certificates because the guys are just higher than average joes with ponds big enough to consolidate breeding. Again, I'm just pointing out another source for paperless Asians.
To Pressure_Cooker:
Of course you'll have to give it time. About the only problem I've ever heard with getting Asian Aros to breed is that you have to get them to pair up before any breeding starts (Similar behavior is exhibited in Channa). That's exactly why they dump a lot in a pond.
And also, if someone could breed SA or AU Aros in the states, I don't see how they can't do it with Asians.
how can you say that these asian arowanas are legitimately breed in backyards? as long as an asian arowana that dont have certificate it is considered wild.. the best thing that you should do is wait for the wild arowanas status to improve, if you think that the breeding approach is the same when it comes to all arowanas, then that is we're your wrong. how come that the SA and AU arowanas are much more abundant than the asian ones?
Again, I'm just stating another possible source. I'm not saying all are.
Found out the backyard breeder thing when I read over something about how people used Green Aro males to breed with Super Red females (The Greens are stated to be better fathers compared to the Reds) to form banjars/1.5 grade reds and how they would sell them off as Reds to make an easy buck.
Simply because it takes less time for them to mature? 3-5 years for Asians and 1-2 SAs and you know that there will be a difference in productivity. May also do with the number fo babies born. Can only assume that AUs get sexually mature earlier than Asians as well.
Again, the only other difficulty I see is getting them to pair up, and after that, you could at least ensure youself of a breeding pair of Asian Aros. The reason why these mud ponds are stuffed with lots of Asians isn't because they won't royal F@$@%$##&^&*&*&% each other like how FW Stingrays do it, but more on getting a breeding pair started. That video in Youtube about Asian Aro breeding in an Aquarium only came about because the Aros were already paired up.
Oh, forgot to mention. The reason why there are more SAs and AUs is because it is legal to capture these from the wild and that there have been no real variation between wild and captive stock. As well, this only pertains to Silvers and Jars. Blacks and Leis are difficult to find due to the restrictions placed on Black Aro importation and the fact that Leis have a limited distribution and only some Aussie farms are supplying them. Again, this is why breeding is encouraged and should be done wherever possible.
Wild-Caught asians, I've never seen, and likely, they won't make a huge market over where Farm-Bred, Fancy Asians are raised. Heck, the Green simply takes the role as the "Cheap Asian aro".
Found out the backyard breeder thing when I read over something about how people used Green Aro males to breed with Super Red females (The Greens are stated to be better fathers compared to the Reds) to form banjars/1.5 grade reds and how they would sell them off as Reds to make an easy buck.
Simply because it takes less time for them to mature? 3-5 years for Asians and 1-2 SAs and you know that there will be a difference in productivity. May also do with the number fo babies born. Can only assume that AUs get sexually mature earlier than Asians as well.
Again, the only other difficulty I see is getting them to pair up, and after that, you could at least ensure youself of a breeding pair of Asian Aros. The reason why these mud ponds are stuffed with lots of Asians isn't because they won't royal F@$@%$##&^&*&*&% each other like how FW Stingrays do it, but more on getting a breeding pair started. That video in Youtube about Asian Aro breeding in an Aquarium only came about because the Aros were already paired up.
Oh, forgot to mention. The reason why there are more SAs and AUs is because it is legal to capture these from the wild and that there have been no real variation between wild and captive stock. As well, this only pertains to Silvers and Jars. Blacks and Leis are difficult to find due to the restrictions placed on Black Aro importation and the fact that Leis have a limited distribution and only some Aussie farms are supplying them. Again, this is why breeding is encouraged and should be done wherever possible.
Wild-Caught asians, I've never seen, and likely, they won't make a huge market over where Farm-Bred, Fancy Asians are raised. Heck, the Green simply takes the role as the "Cheap Asian aro".
bfhslilred93;2560488; said:
did yuou not get zoodiver's post, they DONT get killed. And malaysia is not as big as you think, if there was anymore space to set up farms, theyd do it for the money, but they dont, everything is left for homes, unless you want to tear down ppl's homes just so a couple rich guys down in the US can have asian aros...
Exactly my point. You dont throw in a couple arowanas in a pond and come by a few months latter and have your whole pond full of babies. If you've never witnessed it, you should atleast research it. Each pond consists of about 30 aros. Even though there are 30 FULLY MATURED aros, they usually wont breed until being together for a couple years. Think about it, a few years before you can start making money, who in the US has that type of money to buy 30 asian aros for 1 pond x about 5 ponds, that 150 asian aros all fully matured. And plus filtration, lighting, water wuality, everything has to be paid for unlike in malaysia where everything is already perfect. 30 friggen aros, and sometimes they dont breed at all. So yes, you CAN make aro farms in the US as long as they're indoor. But to get all the conditions right costs alot of money and you wont be getting baby aros for atleast a couple years. Why do you think the aro farmers get so happy when they get just ONE litter, its cuz its rare to get even ONE litter.pressure_cooker;2560587; said:
