Liberals... tell me what you would do.

[HarleyK]

Howdy,

I am a conservative [...] Conservatives want victory in Iraq and are willing to stay until that is done.

I have a question for you:
How do you define "victory"?

• destroy all Iraqi weapons of mass destruction?
• remove the dictator and introduce a new government?
• ???

I though president Bush said "mission accomplished" a long time ago. What is left to do? You want Iraqis to love you and embrace you? You can increase troops and beat the crap out of someone, but that won't make him love you. Even if you convince a few, most civilians will still resist a peacekeeping-by-force approach. That's an oxymoron anyhow. Not only will it not work, it will cost even more American lives!

The point is: There is nowhere to go. Nothing more can be achieved, especially not with a marginal increase in troops as Ben pointed out. Especially not without the full support of the elected leaders of Iraq. The US introduced democracy, and the new representatives obviously do not put their hearts into supporting US effords. At this point, it is an autonomous regime and the US has to respect the people's choice.

Thus: Get the majority of the troops out. With the money saved, bring more reconstruction efforts in, to help the Iraqis rebuild their homes. We owe it to them. Bring the Red Cross in etc. Leave just enough soldiers to protect those humanitarian services.

Just my $0.02
HarleyK

 

[Reiner]

These people have been going at each other for centuries.
If we get out now there will be civil war. If we get out in 10 years there will be civil war.

So why wait and waste American soldiers if the outcome over there will be the same.

 

[Vince]

These people have been going at each other for centuries.
If we get out now there will be civil war. If we get out in 10 years there will be civil war.

So why wait and waste American soldiers if the outcome over there will be the same.

wish it was that simple.

but i don't even know what i am, liberal, conservative, centrist. i dont really care. so many types of mentality has changed since WWII.

why do we have to complete what we started... PRIDE

would you like to be labeled as an American, A.K.A. the people who pulled out of a war they started and left in shame. some of us may be able to live with that, and not care. you know those people would declare "victory" and start their "humiliate the WEST" propaganda. is everyone prepared for that? i know some of us are immigrants, became US citizens because of what the PEOPLE OF AMERICA has to offer.

I remember Pat Tillman, just the gesture makes me become even more patriotic. which is largely missing in this country TODAY!!!

OK, how about we complete this war, and bring back the PRIDE and Patriotism this country is missing? would it make life better for you and your future? People die everyday because of smoking, drugs, etc...But our Heroes out in the field trying to make this world a better place, so that we can actually travel to other places with peace of mind...what is so wrong about that? Would you rather have your taxpayers money spent by "corrupt" politicians? or spend it for the future of Our country, and the rest of the world? I don't even care what religion you believe in...this is not about RELIGION. This is about hate...NO COUNTRY, or any kind of people should be wipe off the face of the earth. We know that is wrong. That if you sacrifice your life to kill innocent people, will send you to "heaven" with 12 Virginians...according to Phil, but I still think it said "virgins". WOW, what a reward. I wonder if they would stay a virgin? or do you keep getting 12 new virgins? cause forever with 12 virgins is not really a good deal. Anyway, I am getting sidetrack.

YES, we need to complete this, and not run away like the crusaders did in the old times. A policeman told me once "if it comes down between him, and an armed criminal, his choice is that he would prevail".

 

[HarleyK]

Howdy Vince,

I asked it two posts above yours, but in other words. So please let me ask it again:

why do we have to complete what we started... PRIDE

At what point would you consider this mission completed? What has to be done?

• destroy all Iraqi weapons of mass destruction?
• remove the dictator and introduce a new government?
• ???

I though president Bush said "mission accomplished" a long time ago. What is left to do?

HarleyK

 

[Reiner]

would you like to be labeled as an American, A.K.A. the people who pulled out of a war they started and left in shame. some of us may be able to live with that, and not care. you know those people would declare "victory" and start their "humiliate the WEST" propaganda. is everyone prepared for that? i know some of us are immigrants, became US citizens because of what the PEOPLE OF AMERICA has to offer.



QUOTE]

The mission was to oust Saddam and have a democratic Goverment. Both of these things have been accomplished. Time to go. Right now the Sunni extremists are killing anybody that is for the current goverment (Sunnis and Shiites). There will always be those people since if you kill 1 of them there 5 brothers & cousins will stand up and want to revenge there fallen brother.
So what are we going to do? Stay there until they have enough military personel trained or stay there until there is peace? What is the mission now?
Whatever we do it probably will all come to the same outcome "Civil War".

 

[H3D]

At what point would you consider this mission completed? What has to be done?

HarleyK

The mission is to turn Iraq into a functioning democratic country that can stand on it own...without US help. This mission is not complete.

 

[HarleyK]

The mission is to turn Iraq into a functioning democratic country that can stand on it own...without US help. This mission is not complete.

History of this entire region has shown that democracy is not their cup of tea. If you truely want to achieve that, gear up for years and years of military presence and loss of American lives...

Have you served your country? Do you want to risk giving your life for democracy in a country that does not want your help? Do you want your kids to die in foreign soil?

Poeple who talk about things like that need to show their dedication by deeds, not only by words. Some do, many dont. They serve in the Nat'l Guard at home, playing hookey ....

Sorry, I had to throw that last one in

HarleyK

 

[Vince]

"Pride comes before a fall" .....
Pride is one of the 7 deadly sins...and is narcissistic , can;t think of a worse motivation for doing anything

Oh David...that is not the PRIDE I am talking about. I think I should have worded it as "to be proud". To be proud to say, you are an American.

 

[H3D]

History of this entire region has shown that democracy is not their cup of tea. If you truely want to achieve that, gear up for years and years of military presence and loss of American lives...

How many lives will be saved because of this mission?

Have you served your country? Do you want to risk giving your life for democracy in a country that does not want your help? Do you want your kids to die in foreign soil?

Poeple who talk about things like that need to show their dedication by deeds, not only by words. Some do, many dont. They serve in the Nat'l Guard at home, playing hookey ....

Sorry, I had to throw that last one in

HarleyK

Is joining the US military the only way to serve your country?

 

[guppy]

You pose this as a liberal vs conservative thing, hell, they both support the same governmental arguements. If I get time tommorrow I will answer this ()Guppy for president in 2008!!).