Liberals... tell me what you would do.

[Derpeder]

If America didn't have its hands tied by PC fighting we could win and win easy. We could get rid of the terrorist or at least deminish them until they are not effective in what they do and the iraqi governement could succeed.

If we were allowed to use the tactics of the enemy against them we would smoke them.

What drives these crazy terrorists? Ala, and there religion which calls to kill all that do not convert or accept 2nd class citezenship.
So if we could use there religion against them we could win. But we can't do that cause thats not PC. For instance, coming from an arab man in the middle east, he said that if pigs were used to "clean up" the bodies of suicide bombers and terrorist this believe it or not would slow ALOT of, if not stop, the suicide attacks. Pigs to them are the most unclean animal and could stop them from getting into heaven with their 72 virgins. We can't destroy Mosques so they use them for protection and weapons stashes.

Not only that if we used the full extent of our weapons technology, NOT including nukes, we could scare them to flee, cause if they stay and fight they die. We are fighting their war on there terms we need to fight our war on our terms otherwise we won't win. And victory is possible, if we eliminate or cause the emeny to flee the Iraq government will succeed tremendously. In the last three years the Iraqi economy is one of the fastest growing in the world. We, with Iraq, can win and Iraq can run its own country.

Our military is fighting with both hands tied to one of their feet.

 

[abpositive]

If America didn't have its hands tied by PC fighting we could win and win easy. We could get rid of the terrorist or at least deminish them until they are not effective in what they do and the iraqi governement could succeed.

If we were allowed to use the tactics of the enemy against them we would smoke them.

What drives these crazy terrorists? Ala, and there religion which calls to kill all that do not convert or accept 2nd class citezenship.
So if we could use there religion against them we could win. But we can't do that cause thats not PC. For instance, coming from an arab man in the middle east, he said that if pigs were used to "clean up" the bodies of suicide bombers and terrorist this believe it or not would slow ALOT of, if not stop, the suicide attacks. Pigs to them are the most unclean animal and could stop them from getting into heaven with their 72 virgins. We can't destroy Mosques so they use them for protection and weapons stashes.

Not only that if we used the full extent of our weapons technology, NOT including nukes, we could scare them to flee, cause if they stay and fight they die. We are fighting their war on there terms we need to fight our war on our terms otherwise we won't win. And victory is possible, if we eliminate or cause the emeny to flee the Iraq government will succeed tremendously. In the last three years the Iraqi economy is one of the fastest growing in the world. We, with Iraq, can win and Iraq can run its own country.

Our military is fighting with both hands tied to one of their feet.

Too true. We could have been finished in Iraq in under a year. Trying to look like "the good guys" is costing us a fortune AND costing us lives.
I say remove our ground troops and just send in bombers---LOTS of bombers. And I don;'t want to hear "Oh, but Alexis, what about innocent lives?" These people hide bombs in their babies diapers. I'm willing to say to hell with the entire Middle East.
They thrive on killing each other anyway.
Forget it.

 

[Vince]

Too true. We could have been finished in Iraq in under a year. Trying to look like "the good guys" is costing us a fortune AND costing us lives.
I say remove our ground troops and just send in bombers---LOTS of bombers. And I don;'t want to hear "Oh, but Alexis, what about innocent lives?" These people hide bombs in their babies diapers. I'm willing to say to hell with the entire Middle East.
They thrive on killing each other anyway.
Forget it.

As harsh as it may sound, i agree with you on most parts of the post. I don't feel hatred towards the Iraqi people, or Iranians (Persians actually), and whoever else is not a "RELIGIOUS EXTREMIST". It is too bad for out military because they have the "unseen enemy", meaning they don't know who they are fighting. BUT, the Iraqi military knows, therefore...we should be a cushion to the Iraqi fighting forces. Here is another twist, hopefully, the intelligence is not a trap. I am not a naturally born US citizen. I had to go through the proper channels to obtain the benefits, that the American People take for granted. When I saw the gesture of many people, including it's leader, to help, to save, people in need, and to make sure that the future of the next generation would be safer. Most of us only think about this time, but you will have descendants, if you wish to have a brioght future...THIS MUST BE DONE...or everything is going down the drain.

LONG LIVE THE U.S.A.

 

[andregurov]

If America didn't have its hands tied by PC fighting we could win and win easy. We could get rid of the terrorist or at least deminish them until they are not effective in what they do and the iraqi governement could succeed.

If we were allowed to use the tactics of the enemy against them we would smoke them.

Our military is fighting with both hands tied to one of their feet.

A colorful analogy, but meaningless. The great irony in this method of warring - to prove how good a democracy is we have to act like animals. Or, if we simply show them how overwhelmingly efficient we are at dealing death they will love us. I think France tried a parallel line of thought in Algeria, fighting a war against nationalists. Look up Frantz Fanon (_The Wretched of the Earth_) and tell me if you can glean anything from him. Iraqi resistance may not be nationalistic, but they are equally intractable and unpersuaded by force. This is not a war over bodies. It is a war over minds, and any death makes us the weaker for it.

If we simply desecrate the crux of their beliefs they will certainly lay down their arms. Indubitably the masses will realize we had to destroy their mosque in order to save them. We make a desolation and call it peace? I don't know how this line of thinking can shed any light on the issues at hand besides allowing us to vent and still express "pride" in our military. Maybe this war cannot be resolved by military power. Should we leave? I don't know. Can we win? I don't know. Perhaps victory is not in achieving what we want, but in what is best for the Middle East. I'm not so certain that it is democracy.

How to solve the issue with Iraq? I lean to economic thought. Where there is money, there is a drive for peace. Pump billions into the economy via handouts. Shower them with how good the USA is. Every complaint Iraqi citizens have - fix it immediately. Let them get blown up by domestic terrorists. Keep giving them money and commodities they covet. Doing so weakens support for the terrorists and will sap them of Iraqi replacements. Make the terrorists the untrustworthy, violent infidels. In Allah they trust, but all others must pay cash. Educate as many Iraqis as you can in the United States. Allow everyone of them seeking asylum entry, and provide them with a decent support network here. Americanize them. Expensive? Yes. Politically unpalatable? Yes. Guaranteed effective? No. But then again, neither is bombing them into the Stone Age.

Is that answer liberal enough?

J

 

[Crustman]

No Republicans or Democrats knew the outcome of this war but most signed up for it, except for John Kerry who voted for it before he voted against it. Now that the weapons of Mass destruction were not found (because they were likely moved to Syria or Iran during the buildup for the war) and there is sectarian violence and many US casualties and deaths; many critics of the Bush administration want to pull us out of the war. If we pull out then we will bring the carnage to our shores. The Islamo-fascists are not giving up in their quest for world domination under sharia law. The prophecy of the global caliphate and the 12th iman is their religion. They want to destroy America and attacked our financial institutions and killed 3000 innocent Americans. It does not seem wise to give them control of Iraqi oil and unlimited funding for their terrorist operations. Yes, we fight to protect the oil as well as the people, the lifeblood of democracy.

 

[JuanTamad]

What's all the fuzz about?

The Vice President declared on national TV earlier today that their venture in Iraq is an enormous success! Apparently contradicting the Commamder In Chief's message in the earlier State of the Union Address....and statements made by the new Commander of the troops in Iraq to a Senate hearing.

Case closed?

 

[HarleyK]

History of this entire region has shown that democracy is not their cup of tea. If you truely want to achieve that, gear up for years and years of military presence and loss of American lives...

How many lives will be saved because of this mission?

Don't know. But this far, the UN estimates that 35,000 Iraqi civilians have lost their lives so far (read HERE). Over 3,000 Americans have died in Iraq, and more than 22,000 have suffered serious injuries (read HERE). To end up with a positive "lives saved" number, you'd have to exceed this estimate plus other countries' solders who fell.

Have you served your country? Do you want to risk giving your life for democracy in a country that does not want your help? Do you want your kids to die in foreign soil?

Is joining the US military the only way to serve your country?

I didn't ask you about military service, but posted the general question if you have served your country. I take your counter-question as no, you have not served your country . Had you even served it in humanitarian efforts, I am sure you would have mentioned that.

Bottom line is: You want a war but you want others to fight it

HarleyK

 

[H3D]

Don't know. But this far, the UN estimates that 35,000 Iraqi civilians have lost their lives so far (read HERE). Over 3,000 Americans have died in Iraq, and more than 22,000 have suffered serious injuries (read HERE). To end up with a positive "lives saved" number, you'd have to exceed this estimate plus other countries' solders who fell.

These numbers are tragic. However they are lower than any other war of this length in history. While the number of deaths seem high it may well be less than the unknown number of deaths being caused by Saddam's regime each year.

I didn't ask you about military service, but posted the general question if you have served your country. I take your counter-question as no, you have not served your country . Had you even served it in humanitarian efforts, I am sure you would have mentioned that.

Bottom line is: You want a war but you want others to fight it

HarleyK

I did not answer the question because it was posed in such a way as to prove superiority. I respect anyone who has served the US and value their opinions highly, but the majority of the people in the US have not served in the armed forces; does this mean they are not allowed to have an opinion? Everyone in US is affected by this war, both directly and indirectly, therefore shouldn't they be allowed to have an opinion about it?

 

[Derpeder]

How to solve the issue with Iraq? I lean to economic thought. Where there is money, there is a drive for peace.

J

Why do you think the Middle East and Iraq have been a place for Dictatorships and evil rule. Thats because of money, there is TRILLIONS of dollars in the middle east resources. Yes there is a drive for peace but there are also those people that want control of that money and the power that comes with it, and to make it worse its their Religion that drives them. Those people will not change there minds. Well there is one way to change their minds.............eliminate there minds.

 

[JuanTamad]

You pose this as a liberal vs conservative thing, hell, they both support the same governmental arguements. If I get time tommorrow I will answer this ()Guppy for president in 2008!!).

Where do I send my campaign contributions?