Live vs Pellets?

[superleggera123]

DUDE i
SAID MIX THE DIET
NOT ONLY MASSIVORE
BUT AS AN EVERYDAY DIET MASSIVORE IS BETTER
AND THAT IS WHAT THE OP ASKED>>> WHICH IS BETTER OVERALL

 

[Journeykc]

true story: the true origin and untold story of loch ness!
a resident of the area once had a bag of massivore and accidentally dropped some into the lake, a simple creature ate a bite and BOOM within hours grew to monsterous proportions. the locals named this creature nessie... in a related story of the pellets powers scientists have also come to believe megalodon still lurks deep within the ocean but surfaces only to feast upon massivore

Thats great. This thread should end there

 

[snyder810]

I've also seen my friends grow big very fast on McDonald's food, although I highly doubt they are healthier.

very true, although i believe the original question was which lead to faster growth


and massivore may have been the secret to aquaman's powers, although that has yet to be confirmed
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[superleggera123]

the answer is massivore..

 

[gobucks1]

if you were really serious about that statement you would have one inch to a 100gallon ratio for stocking in your tank.

Should we not give our fish conditions closest as possible or, i suppose i should have said as practical, to their wild habitats? Isn't that why we don't generally keep discus in rocky habitats with high pH and hard water? Or why we don't keep frontosa in blackwater setups?

The ideal conditions for fish are the conditions they recieve in the wild.

Do you disagree with that?

An inch to 100 gallon isn't really practical, even the LFS said i could do an inch to a gallon...

 

[gobucks1]

The transmission of disease is very unlikely with non-aquatic specimens.

With non-aquatic insects though, wouldn't there be the risk of introducing something the fish wouldn't encounter in the wild?

Like how we're not supposed to feed mammalian or avian meat because they fish aren't used to the things in it, thus can't break it down.

Would there be a similar thing involved with non-aquatic species of bugs? I realize that bugs often land in the water, but not enough that they become a major part of the fish's diet, like aquatic insects would.

I don't imagine that in the wild, tropical fish consume many Canadian nightcrawlers. Is it possible that the excess different nutrients, fats, proteins, etc. in non-aquatic insects would be bad for fish since they don't encounter them in the wild?

 

[Tongue33]

umm read again then..
u clearly missed alot of stuff
and yes massivore is the best

I disagree This is an opinion.. And that is ALL it is.

Many would feel that NLS is the best... And many others would feel that Omega One is the best..

Personally Anyone that has fed live fish to piscivores knows that Live Fish has something that NO other food type has... And It shows in The owners of these piscivorous fish pictures. You just don't see certain qualities in massivore nor NLS nor other pellet food products.. Like that of which you would see in Live fish feeding.

I just flat out disagree. And not that Massivore is not a good food.. I just feel like all pellet and dry or non live foods there is always going to be something lacking.

 

[bluehairman]

With non-aquatic insects though, wouldn't there be the risk of introducing something the fish wouldn't encounter in the wild?

Like how we're not supposed to feed mammalian or avian meat because they fish aren't used to the things in it, thus can't break it down.

Would there be a similar thing involved with non-aquatic species of bugs? I realize that bugs often land in the water, but not enough that they become a major part of the fish's diet, like aquatic insects would.

I don't imagine that in the wild, tropical fish consume many Canadian nightcrawlers. Is it possible that the excess different nutrients, fats, proteins, etc. in non-aquatic insects would be bad for fish since they don't encounter them in the wild?

Insects are a large part of wild fishes diet.
EDIT: Also, insects are very simple organisms and general makeup doesn't vary much.

Superleggera.. You opinions have been changing constantly throughout this thread. First massivore is all you need, then it's a variety diet w/o feeder fish, then it's a variety diet without feeder goldfish.
I mean goldfish are not born with parasites, it's unfortunate that your LFS keeps their feeders in poor conditions.

You never answered me BTW. What did you fish contract from a feeder? I don't believe your story, because first you said you never fed a feeder to your fish then you say it feeding feeders killed on of your fish.

 

[Tongue33]

I know pellets are a lot healthier and safer than live, but I was also wondering if fish grow faster on pellets as well. Seems like they should given all the nutrients inside of them.

What are you feeding if you do not mind my asking?

 

[Lupin]

Should we not give our fish conditions closest as possible or, i suppose i should have said as practical, to their wild habitats? Isn't that why we don't generally keep discus in rocky habitats with high pH and hard water? Or why we don't keep frontosa in blackwater setups?

The ideal conditions for fish are the conditions they recieve in the wild.

Do you disagree with that?

An inch to 100 gallon isn't really practical, even the LFS said i could do an inch to a gallon...

I'll answer your question from here, Gobucks.

There is a fine line between wild caught and captive bred specimens. Wild caught, as we are all aware of, are more delicate to the changes of water chemistry unless they are properly conditioned to the changing environment. Captive bred ones, on the other hand, are adept at adapting through a wide range of water conditions.

What really matters when we deal with water chemistry, is the hardness levels, not the pH as many people often believe. pH itself barely falls below 6.0 except in rare instances where the water is extremely acidic due to excess tannins, organic matter and hydrogen sulfide especially as the dkH is below 3 where the danger of pH taking a steep dive, exists. It rarely elevates beyond 9.0 unless you are using calcium hydroxide which when used unnecessarily especially in reef systems, the pH would certainly elevate too high and may cause health problems on the fish.

A lot of discus breeders breed their discus in hard alkaline waters. I believe Jack Wattley is one of those who does as he claims in the TFH magazines. This is just one of the many proofs that captive bred fish will eventually adapt to water conditions, a far cry from what they have in the wild. Note that a lot of discus have already been bred for decades and are several generations away from the wild caught ones.

With non-aquatic insects though, wouldn't there be the risk of introducing something the fish wouldn't encounter in the wild?

Like what? The incidence for this is very rare. Even fish in the wild consume millipedes, spiders, flies and anything else they can catch. This does not confine to archer fish, arowanas, butterfly fish and other well known insectivores.

Like how we're not supposed to feed mammalian or avian meat because they fish aren't used to the things in it, thus can't break it down.

It was not mentioned the fish are not completely used to mammalian protein. I should clarify that mammalian protein is hard to digest which is why most predators in the wild, take days before they attempt to gobble another prey. Nobody said not to feed mammalian protein at all. Beefhearts are no different. They are just not however good staple food and should make up a small portion only of the fish's diet for that very reason. It is not surprising shrews in the wild are eaten by most predatory fish and shrews are one of the smallest mammals that dwell in the water areas.

Would there be a similar thing involved with non-aquatic species of bugs? I realize that bugs often land in the water, but not enough that they become a major part of the fish's diet, like aquatic insects would.

Could you please elaborate your question further?

I don't imagine that in the wild, tropical fish consume many Canadian nightcrawlers. Is it possible that the excess different nutrients, fats, proteins, etc. in non-aquatic insects would be bad for fish since they don't encounter them in the wild?

If you are feeding them moderately, this is not an issue. This comes down to your perception and actions.