MARBLED/CALICO CONVICT BREEDERS - INFO / GENETICS THREAD
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Haizzzz okay if you guys want to really get to the bottom of this then do it properly:
1.) List the number of eggs laid. +/-5%. Don't estimate, actually count 'em. If you can't then don't list it.
2.) List the approximate proportion of offsprings with specific traits. List each unique type separately (i.e. 10% stripey, 25% calico on grey, 25% calico on pink, 40% pink or whatever. Note that that was a completely made up statisic. Just so you get the idea). If you can't list at least the approximate proportions, then just list the combinations found. Also for multiple batches, list out each batch.
3.) List both parents, including their sex if possible. I.e. if you breed a male calico and a female pink for example.
4.) List the parents' heritage if possible. Was the parents of one parent a stripey and a calico? Grandparents and further too if possible.
That's about all iirc. Give as much of the info above as possible and eventually we'll figure it out. 'I breed Convicts and some were calico an some were pink and some were something else' doesn't help. I'll post some possibilities eventually when I get home.
1.) List the number of eggs laid. +/-5%. Don't estimate, actually count 'em. If you can't then don't list it.
2.) List the approximate proportion of offsprings with specific traits. List each unique type separately (i.e. 10% stripey, 25% calico on grey, 25% calico on pink, 40% pink or whatever. Note that that was a completely made up statisic. Just so you get the idea). If you can't list at least the approximate proportions, then just list the combinations found. Also for multiple batches, list out each batch.
3.) List both parents, including their sex if possible. I.e. if you breed a male calico and a female pink for example.
4.) List the parents' heritage if possible. Was the parents of one parent a stripey and a calico? Grandparents and further too if possible.
That's about all iirc. Give as much of the info above as possible and eventually we'll figure it out. 'I breed Convicts and some were calico an some were pink and some were something else' doesn't help. I'll post some possibilities eventually when I get home.
I will acquire a wild color convict pair somewhere and breed them and their progeny for a few generations to prove them as not having any het' mutations then I will begin back crossing one of my calicos to see if I can separate the pink and marble or not. Don't wait for it. It could take a few years. ...
Aze - that's exactly what I am after. FACTS. (See my first post for my facts.)
Yes, it could take a few years. I will be able to do some F1 crosses this summer when this first batch are of age.
Yes, it could take a few years. I will be able to do some F1 crosses this summer when this first batch are of age.
So far, nobody has been able to procure a non-pink marble, or a "so-called" visible het. If you make this claim, please support it with photos.
"Found" some female marbles today (meaning they are coloring up.) So, I will be able to do a FULL back-cross both ways, with pink / pink - pink / marble, and vice-versa sex-wise, as well as back with the father.
"Found" some female marbles today (meaning they are coloring up.) So, I will be able to do a FULL back-cross both ways, with pink / pink - pink / marble, and vice-versa sex-wise, as well as back with the father.
Not an oxymoron if it is a codominant or dominant trait. I have produced marbled normals, sorry no photo. You will have to trust a PhD Zoology student who was an AP Biology, Honors Biology, and Marine Biology teacher for 9 years. We bred them in the marine biology class and collected the data for use in my honors biology classes. You can still try to prove it out it is just going to take a couple of years. You are going to need to take your wild type pair and make 10 pairs from the F1s to get a good sample in case there are hets from one of the parents being hets. Then when you are sure your line is pure then cross a pink marbled with a number of those hets to see what happens. It took us 4 years and we weren't as thorough as this. We had a line of convicts we had been breeding from for years so we were sure they were pure.
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Darn, I wish you had taken pictures! Nobody is mistrusting you.
To clarify, what do you mean by crossing a pink marbled with a number of (which) hets?
Exactly how were the marbled normals produced?
Pure non-het normals are easy - there is at least one supplier of wild caught convicts.
That said, what happened to all these fish?
To clarify, what do you mean by crossing a pink marbled with a number of (which) hets?
Exactly how were the marbled normals produced?
Pure non-het normals are easy - there is at least one supplier of wild caught convicts.
That said, what happened to all these fish?
Exactly how were the marbled normals produced?
Back when I was at the fish farm seeing their first batch of non-pink marbled convicts, I asked that same question. They said that as far as they knew it was a random mutation that was picked out from that spawn, bred and back crossed the babies until they had a line of stable spotted convicts. At that time they also told me that they thought it was co-dominate since breeding two lightly marbled cons produced many heavily marbled cons. This is all hearsay of course, fish farmers are prodigious liars.
