MARBLED/CALICO CONVICT BREEDERS - INFO / GENETICS THREAD

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fwprawn said:
First of all - if it's not pink - what is it? Purple? So yes, obviously, non-marbled pink convicts are pink.

Second of all - you forgot that their mother is a pink convict - so the pink fry are het for calico (depending on the genetics behind this mutation.)
Third - "Calico" is not a breed in itself, like a Dalmatian, but rather, a mutation. In other words, there is no such thing as an all-white calico cat. The markings themselves, are what makes an animal a calico.

It will be interesting to see if any of your fry are pink.
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What do you think the markings/coat color on a Dalmation are? A mutation, a dominant mutation. And I beg to differ, markings are the phenotype, not the genotype...which is what makes every mutation what it is. And while we're comparing apples to oranges, did you know a (recessive) white button quail can show the white phenotype, and also be a (dominant) redbreasted button quail? This is true in BQ genetics, and it's also true in some of the new reptile morphs available today. A luecistic ball python can carry the genotype for a wide range of colors/patterns, even though it only physically express's the luecistic phenotype. I must agree with krustyart, a con expressing the "pink" phenotype can still be a calico. Going back to the link I provided earlier in this thread crazygregs fish exhibit traits common to a recessive and co-dom gene pairing. His intial pairings are as follows: pink X calico, 2 "light" calico fry from this pairing were then paired, the results were 25% "dark" marble 25% pink, and 50% "light" marble. These are classic recessive color morph X co-dom color morph results! And they do indeed indicate a "super" form. I'm rather disgusted at how you keep trying to force the facts into what you "want" this gene to be. Seriously, stop bulldozing everything you don't want to hear into the ground, all your doing is muddying the waters, and confusing an issue that shouldn't be confusing! It's a co-dom gene, thats it & thats all.
 
izzy_here said:
What do you think the markings/coat color on a Dalmation are? A mutation, a dominant mutation. And I beg to differ, markings are the phenotype, not the genotype...which is what makes every mutation what it is. And while we're comparing apples to oranges, did you know a (recessive) white button quail can show the white phenotype, and also be a (dominant) redbreasted button quail? This is true in BQ genetics, and it's also true in some of the new reptile morphs available today. A luecistic ball python can carry the genotype for a wide range of colors/patterns, even though it only physically express's the luecistic phenotype. I must agree with krustyart, a con expressing the "pink" phenotype can still be a calico. Going back to the link I provided earlier in this thread crazygregs fish exhibit traits common to a recessive and co-dom gene pairing. His intial pairings are as follows: pink X calico, 2 "light" calico fry from this pairing were then paired, the results were 25% "dark" marble 25% pink, and 50% "light" marble. These are classic recessive color morph X co-dom color morph results! And they do indeed indicate a "super" form. I'm rather disgusted at how you keep trying to force the facts into what you "want" this gene to be. Seriously, stop bulldozing everything you don't want to hear into the ground, all your doing is muddying the waters, and confusing an issue that shouldn't be confusing! It's a co-dom gene, thats it & thats all.
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This has made the most sense out of anything written so for on these genetics and I agree with him 100%


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I would also hope that the anecdotal evidence that you keep throwing out would at some point turn into photographic evidence...cold hard facts, no more of this "well my friends fish" stuff. As you said fwprawn, actual proof, not stories.
 
I believe so crush. You will probably get a small number of pinks, 25% if I'm correct, along with 25% heavy marble, and 50% light marble. Marble=calico in this instance.
 
Well this is kinda off subject but not really... Has anyone ever seen a white convict with black bars(no marbling)? I might make/waste time and line breed to try to create one/some by line breeding. What up Krusty... How are your fry looking? I know its still early but do you have any white or transparent looking ones?
 
Crush329 I am just starting to notice the coloring of the babies now. Looks like 100% calicos from light to medium to dark and everything in between. There were two babies that were decidedly different. Even as tiny newly free swimmers I could tell they were different. Alas, they did not grow at all. They stayed the same tiny size even as all the other fry grew. They were totally transparent. Colorless. I could never really tell if they were true albinos as they never got large enough to see a red eye. They had a slightly blueish cast to them or you would call it a cool color rather than a warm base color that all the other pinkish/goldish babies had. They just laid a second clutch of eggs yesterday. I will have to siphon out the first clutch to separate them from the second clutch to see if there are any more of the transparent babies and if there are I am going to try to save them in a separate net breeder or something and give them live BBS to see if they really eat or not. It may be a lethal mutation and there may be nothing I can do to save them but I am going to try. I am sure the first two got eaten by their spawn mates. Doomie should be taking shipment of that pair and their "sister-wife" (hehehe Mormon reference- I am Mormon). What do you say Doomie? How is the weather up there? Are we good for shipping yet? Doomie is also getting a free Platinum HRP to muddy up the Calico genetics even further. That should be fun!
 
I got 8 marbled convicts at 1-2inches. Pending on breeding them until they get bigger.

Some things I experienced when breeding:
Breeding marbled x pink will produce pink with marbled gene. If female has marbled gene, there may be some with marbles.
Breeding marbled x marbled will produce marbled and pink.
Breeding black con with marbled gene to marbled will produce some black and marbled.


There are a lot of pink convicts with small traces of black that if bred out can produce more marbling.


One of the best marbled convicts IMO:
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?223911-BamBam!&highlight=bambam
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?200656-Marble-Cons&highlight=bambam

My line of marbled convicts is from this BamBam.
 
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