Martial arts question...spinning chop caused temporary hand pain.

[Thalan]

BJJ will get you killed in a "street fight". I dont care how badly you're dominating the guy, all it takes is one of his friends to kick you in head while you're incapabale of defending yourself. Ground fighting can be great in one on one but in the real world you never know when some one else might get involved.
MT is good for real defense because its all about ending the fight quickly, from a defendable position.
TKD is better than most people think. It gets a bad name because of all the cheesy ATA schools for kids, but if its trained right its effective. I hate seeing people bash traditional styles. Sure there are lots of morons out there teaching chi blasts, and kiai but if you train well they're better for real life. They get misrepresented because they dont do well in MMA, but that really because you cant do have the stuff you learn in the ring, youd be ending peoples careers, not just knocking them out.

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

i think combat sambo and judo are good to know also as well as wrestling. but i still say boxing, kickboxing and bjj are the best. if you are well rounded in these 3 you're in good shape in a street fight



disagree about tkd. sure a lot of martial arts "helps" in a fight but realistically the 3 i named is best in a street fight. i agree that I'm not 100% right, more like 90% but i think if a guy who has 10 years of tkd fought a guy with 10 years of kickboxing or muay thai, my money wouldn't be on the tkd guy all the way



we have a difference in opinion then. if you think the 3 i listed would be little use, then what do you think would be better?

muay thai and kickboxing kicks are the most effective in a real fight if you ask me, more than any other style. boxing only effective with gloves??? i'm not even sure how to respond to that,........... a guy with a good boxing back ground would do good in a fight with the trained hands, counterpunching and footwork.

i read an article about a bunch of karate dudes wanting to challenge a bunch of muay thai guys. well, they ended up competing on a couple of occasions where it was basically karate against muay thai. and all the karate guys ended getting knocked out. i think literally one karate dude won by decision, the rest of them suffered brutal ko's

Sry but again i disagree. Almost all examples of martial arts help in a street fight. Its the discipline and training that help. lol.

But tkd is helpfull if u actually know it. I had a friend in HS that had practised along side of me for years. His fight record(street) spoke for itself. he fought 10 fights in HS that i can recall. 2 were KOs(they got him expelled ) 1 ko was the first punch, and the other 8 left him hardly touchd and the other hurting.

Now ill admit our style was not 100% pure. we added in BJJ to help with ground game since once u got up in the belts fights became no control, balls to the wall combat. So fights often ended on the ground. Ud get hit off balance, or didnt get a punch back quick enough and thrown or something along those lines, next thing u knew someone would be on top of u punching u in the face. I need a good fight now

Our fights got bad at times. One instructor went home after a good fight. She woke up in the middle of the night with trouble breathing. Turns out she got a broken rib in the fight and it pierced her lung in her sleep. She was fine BTW.

 

[SumoNinja]

I never said they would be ineffective, but they are not complete enough to stand in the real world. Trust me I have worked with masters from muay thai. Their kicks are definitely good, in their type, but the best kicks definitely lie with other styles. One instance of muay thai beating karate is great, but there are far more outcomes. Saying a style is better based on a handful of fights shows how small your tunnel is. Boxers keep their cross hand next to their head when they fight... A good fighter will see this and hit them with their own hand. Their arms can throw a decent punch, but most asian martial arts can throw a far more devastating punch without using as much energy as a boxer to throw said punch.

Your vision is very narrow, every fighter worth their grits will know that one style cannot win every fight on the street. Rather, a good series of styles will help you stay in one piece on the street. The best fighters in the world would rather walk away from a fight on the street, then meet the opponent head on. That isn't because they are afraid, but rather because they know they have nothing to prove.

calm down bro, when you start insulting someone because their opinion differs from you shows a lot about your character too.

you're saying the arts i mentioned are not "complete" enough in the real world,.......... that sounds like you're saying they aren't effective enough in a real fight. and i disagree.

i've been in street fights, i don't know about you but, when you're face to face with a guy and it comes down to throwing punches, you're not thinking about pressure points or pretty little spin kicks and punching a guy's hand so that he punches himself in the face

and boxing is probably one of the most useful to know, of course not by itself, along with the kickboxing so that you have good hands and feet to strike with. and if a bigger guy wants to take you down you can defend yourself on the ground with the bjj. or if you are simply outstriked on the feet you can take it to the ground.

i'm talking about 1 on 1 fights, not a bunch of guys beating down 1 guy, in that case, the only belt that matters is the one holding up your pants while you're getting a beat down

i'm not stupid, i'm not making a judgement based on a handful of fights. the example about the karate guys vs the muay thai guys was just 1 of many. look it up in youtube or on the internet. there's LOTS of videos showing a 10+ year 3rd degree blackbelt in some martial arts i can't even pronounce looks like an amateur against a bjj guy. i'm talking about real fights where one school's master of a certain art goes to challenge another school of a different art and they actually fight behind closed doors

i think in mma fights of orgs like the former Pride and strikeforce and UFC are the most realistic or closest thing to an actual streetfight compared to all other forms of combat competitions. and the most successful are the ones who are most well rounded in bjj, kickboxing and boxing.

 

[SumoNinja]

BJJ will get you killed in a "street fight". I dont care how badly you're dominating the guy, all it takes is one of his friends to kick you in head while you're incapabale of defending yourself. Ground fighting can be great in one on one but in the real world you never know when some one else might get involved.
MT is good for real defense because its all about ending the fight quickly, from a defendable position.
TKD is better than most people think. It gets a bad name because of all the cheesy ATA schools for kids, but if its trained right its effective. I hate seeing people bash traditional styles. Sure there are lots of morons out there teaching chi blasts, and kiai but if you train well they're better for real life. They get misrepresented because they dont do well in MMA, but that really because you cant do have the stuff you learn in the ring, youd be ending peoples careers, not just knocking them out.

in a case of 10 on 1, then no training in the world will help, then there's no point in arguing. but i'm talking about 1 on 1 fights

i tkd is helpful yes, but i don't think it is as effective in a real fight compared to kickboxing or even bjj. my money's still not on the tkd guy

Sry but again i disagree. Almost all examples of martial arts help in a street fight. Its the discipline and training that help. lol.

But tkd is helpfull if u actually know it. I had a friend in HS that had practised along side of me for years. His fight record(street) spoke for itself. he fought 10 fights in HS that i can recall. 2 were KOs(they got him expelled ) 1 ko was the first punch, and the other 8 left him hardly touchd and the other hurting.

Now ill admit our style was not 100% pure. we added in BJJ to help with ground game since once u got up in the belts fights became no control, balls to the wall combat. So fights often ended on the ground. Ud get hit off balance, or didnt get a punch back quick enough and thrown or something along those lines, next thing u knew someone would be on top of u punching u in the face. I need a good fight now

Our fights got bad at times. One instructor went home after a good fight. She woke up in the middle of the night with trouble breathing. Turns out she got a broken rib in the fight and it pierced her lung in her sleep. She was fine BTW.

that's simply not true and it's been proven. not all discipline and training necesarily helps in a real fight

that's why in the early days of the UFC, you got these karate and tkd 3rd degree black belts who've been doing it for 10 years come in the cage and literally get the crap kicked out of them. these guys have had plenty of discipline and training, it didn't help them much at all.

sure they succeeded in fighting someone with another art that didn't help in a real street fight. but when they went up against a bjj guy or kickboxer, they got brutally ko'd or choked or submitted

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

Notice i said, its the discipline for the martial arts

calm down bro, when you start insulting someone because their opinion differs from you shows a lot about your character too.

you're saying the arts i mentioned are not "complete" enough in the real world,.......... that sounds like you're saying they aren't effective enough in a real fight. and i disagree.

i've been in street fights, i don't know about you but, when you're face to face with a guy and it comes down to throwing punches, you're not thinking about pressure points or pretty little spin kicks and punching a guy's hand so that he punches himself in the face

and boxing is probably one of the most useful to know, of course not by itself, along with the kickboxing so that you have good hands and feet to strike with. and if a bigger guy wants to take you down you can defend yourself on the ground with the bjj. or if you are simply outstriked on the feet you can take it to the ground.

i'm talking about 1 on 1 fights, not a bunch of guys beating down 1 guy, in that case, the only belt that matters is the one holding up your pants while you're getting a beat down

i'm not stupid, i'm not making a judgement based on a handful of fights. the example about the karate guys vs the muay thai guys was just 1 of many. look it up in youtube or on the internet. there's LOTS of videos showing a 10+ year 3rd degree blackbelt in some martial arts i can't even pronounce looks like an amateur against a bjj guy. i'm talking about real fights where one school's master of a certain art goes to challenge another school of a different art and they actually fight behind closed doors

i think in mma fights of orgs like the former Pride and strikeforce and UFC are the most realistic or closest thing to an actual streetfight compared to all other forms of combat competitions. and the most successful are the ones who are most well rounded in bjj, kickboxing and boxing.

we often trained with 4 against 1 once u got up a few levels. u often got messed up but u could become quite affective at whooping some butt

 

[SumoNinja]

we often trained with 4 against 1 once u got up a few levels. u often got messed up but u could become quite affective at whooping some butt

training 4 against 1 just teaches you how to take a beating

there's no way on the street 1 of you guys, no matter how long you've been doing it, how many belts you have is gonna beat me and 3 other guys. you're gonna end up waking up disoriented and covered in your own blood. it would be no different if i fought 4 of you guys on the street

 

[Thalan]

in a case of 10 on 1, then no training in the world will help, then there's no point in arguing. but i'm talking about 1 on 1 fights

Even one on one in a no rules scenario, Bjj is asking for problems. You could run across someone who doesn't want to "fight" like me. I don't fight for fun or to prove Im a bigger man. If Im in a physical confrontation is serious and someones getting hurt. If someone takes me to the ground they will get stabbed. I'm not going to mess around and play fair to prove Im better, Im going to end the fight and get back to my feet. You never know how someone will react and rolling around on the ground is a good way to get killed. You're better off striking and maintaining distance and the ability to run if necessary.

 

[SumoNinja]

Even one on one in a no rules scenario, Bjj is asking for problems. You could run across someone who doesn't want to "fight" like me. I don't fight for fun or to prove Im a bigger man. If Im in a physical confrontation is serious and someones getting hurt. If someone takes me to the ground they will get stabbed. I'm not going to mess around and play fair to prove Im better, Im going to end the fight and get back to my feet. You never know how someone will react and rolling around on the ground is a good way to get killed. You're better off striking and maintaining distance and the ability to run if necessary.

if weapons are involved then it changes everything also. i'm talking about a 1 on 1 fist fight. not everyone is carrying a knife everywhere they go.

and bjj is a great thing to use. yea, you are better off striking and maintaining distance. that's why i said boxing, kickboxing and bjj. if you are losing on the stand up you can take it to the ground. but sure, stand up and see if you can beat the guy standing first. and if you're beating the dude up and he should take you to the ground, that's where the bjj comes in.

of course, biting, eye gouging and kicking in the nuts can happen too but the boxer/kickboxer/bjj guy can do that too.

 

[WyldFya]

BJJ will get you killed in a "street fight". I dont care how badly you're dominating the guy, all it takes is one of his friends to kick you in head while you're incapabale of defending yourself. Ground fighting can be great in one on one but in the real world you never know when some one else might get involved.
MT is good for real defense because its all about ending the fight quickly, from a defendable position.
TKD is better than most people think. It gets a bad name because of all the cheesy ATA schools for kids, but if its trained right its effective. I hate seeing people bash traditional styles. Sure there are lots of morons out there teaching chi blasts, and kiai but if you train well they're better for real life. They get misrepresented because they dont do well in MMA, but that really because you cant do have the stuff you learn in the ring, youd be ending peoples careers, not just knocking them out.

This is very true.

 

[WyldFya]

calm down bro, when you start insulting someone because their opinion differs from you shows a lot about your character too.

you're saying the arts i mentioned are not "complete" enough in the real world,.......... that sounds like you're saying they aren't effective enough in a real fight. and i disagree.

If you take offense to that, then that just shows you know you are narrow minded. Trust me I have trained with masters from many styles, including muay thai, bjj and boxing. None of these styles alone, or even together, can win every fight on the street. Not being able to realize that is what I'm talking about.

i've been in street fights, i don't know about you but, when you're face to face with a guy and it comes down to throwing punches, you're not thinking about pressure points or pretty little spin kicks and punching a guy's hand so that he punches himself in the face

I've been in plenty of street fights, and fights with practitioners of many styles. 90% of these fights I end with a light punch to a pressure point on the chest, which knocks even the most hardened of fighters out. High end fighters that have experienced real world fighting are not thinking, they are acting.

i'm talking about 1 on 1 fights, not a bunch of guys beating down 1 guy, in that case, the only belt that matters is the one holding up your pants while you're getting a beat down

I've been in fights where it was 10 on 1. When those odds are up, karate is what kept me from getting hurt. Not any other style I have learned. Again tunnel vision. On the street there are no rules, there is no limit, there is no one to stop the fight to save you from death.

i'm not stupid, i'm not making a judgement based on a handful of fights. the example about the karate guys vs the muay thai guys was just 1 of many. look it up in youtube or on the internet. there's LOTS of videos showing a 10+ year 3rd degree blackbelt in some martial arts i can't even pronounce looks like an amateur against a bjj guy. i'm talking about real fights where one school's master of a certain art goes to challenge another school of a different art and they actually fight behind closed doors

I am a primarily karate practitioner of over 20 year. I have fought one particular muay thai practitioner of 22 years many times. Guess what, neither style was superior, it depended on the day, and the luck each of us had. I have also fought many others from muay thai, and they were not hard to beat. But this comes down to training, not style as the master and I proved. I had more training then his students in karate, and I could defeat them easily. Against someone that had been trained similarly in muay thai, we were neck and neck. There are no absolutes in fighting, you can run simulations, or real fights all you want, but there will always be members from other styles that are going to win. Lumping karate all as one also is a flaw. Karate spans the distance, from fast, flowing movements of wushu, to hard punching of boxing, to the fast hard movements of krav maga. In the end, if you don't know how to defend against an opponents attacks, you cannot win, and there are a lot of styles out there that have very different attacks.

i think in mma fights of orgs like the former Pride and strikeforce and UFC are the most realistic or closest thing to an actual streetfight compared to all other forms of combat competitions. and the most successful are the ones who are most well rounded in bjj, kickboxing and boxing.

As stated above by thalen, many forms of martial art will end peoples careers in the ring. That is because if you are trained well in many martial arts, first thing you want to do, is destroy your opponent ability to fight, often in only a couple moves or less. Any muay thai fighter you see in the ring is holding back.