Martial arts question...spinning chop caused temporary hand pain.

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svang55;4323099; said:
in a case of 10 on 1, then no training in the world will help, then there's no point in arguing. but i'm talking about 1 on 1 fights

Not true... I've done it and been fine, and so has the man in your avatar. That is what asian martial arts are about.

i tkd is helpful yes, but i don't think it is as effective in a real fight compared to kickboxing or even bjj. my money's still not on the tkd guy
Americanized TKD, I agree, Korean traditional TKD, my money is TKD guy.
 
svang55;4323108;4323108 said:
training 4 against 1 just teaches you how to take a beating

there's no way on the street 1 of you guys, no matter how long you've been doing it, how many belts you have is gonna beat me and 3 other guys. you're gonna end up waking up disoriented and covered in your own blood. it would be no different if i fought 4 of you guys on the street
I've taken on 4 trained black belts from Kyokushin karate, and had no problem after the fight. No holding back, no pulling your punches. Just pure fighting.
 
svang55;4323147;4323147 said:
if weapons are involved then it changes everything also. i'm talking about a 1 on 1 fist fight. not everyone is carrying a knife everywhere they go.

and bjj is a great thing to use. yea, you are better off striking and maintaining distance. that's why i said boxing, kickboxing and bjj. if you are losing on the stand up you can take it to the ground. but sure, stand up and see if you can beat the guy standing first. and if you're beating the dude up and he should take you to the ground, that's where the bjj comes in.

of course, biting, eye gouging and kicking in the nuts can happen too but the boxer/kickboxer/bjj guy can do that too.
Again... narrow minded thinking. You cannot limit the street to rules. It just doesn't work that way.
 
WyldFya;4323282; said:
Not true... I've done it and been fine, and so has the man in your avatar. That is what asian martial arts are about.


Americanized TKD, I agree, Korean traditional TKD, my money is TKD guy.

Which one do you favor? I've taken Korean TKD for several year (close to a decade) and learned some really useful material. Our two masters were pretty well respected, one judged the Sydney Olympics and the other was on the Korean National Demo Team, he could bend rebar with his chest.
 
WyldFya;4323277; said:
If you take offense to that, then that just shows you know you are narrow minded. Trust me I have trained with masters from many styles, including muay thai, bjj and boxing. None of these styles alone, or even together, can win every fight on the street. Not being able to realize that is what I'm talking about.

i never claimed they'd win every street fight. i just said if you are skilled in those 3 it would help in a real fight more than others. and there's a lot of forms of martial arts that are for competition style fighting where there are points and rules and restrictions. and if you disagree that's fine.

but no, i don't take offense, i couldn't care less what you thought about my opinion but it's funny to me that one would think another is narrow minded just because his opinion is different. actually, there's a lot of things you said that is silly to me but i didn't say anything because that's your opinion

and i call bs on your 10 on 1 stories. you must have been in a 10 on 1 pillow fight if you came out "ok". bruce lee has never been in a 10 on 1 street fight. i'm not talking about movies here,..........
 
WyldFya;4323286; said:
I've taken on 4 trained black belts from Kyokushin karate, and had no problem after the fight. No holding back, no pulling your punches. Just pure fighting.

assuming that there was no holding back and you came out ok proves that the 4 black belts in karate didn't know what they were doing. sorry, that's just my opinion

trust me, if you fought me and 3 of my buddies in an alley. you'd wake up bloody and disoriented. i'm sure i'd wake up the same way if i fought 4 guys

i don't believe karate or other forms of competition where there's points and rules help you in a real fight. but like in the UFC, it's more realistic. those fights are more like street fights but just a little more controlled.

and i'm not gonna sit here and debate about a street fight where there's weapons and 10 on 1 scenarios are involved, because then none of what we are talking about matters
 
knifegill;4319117; said:
I am not trained in any martial arts. I do have good body awareness,...... Any input?...


Wow, this is getting a little heated...

They were just asking for a little input on a strain ... sure a lot of the information here is great and all... but way off the topic.

Sorry to but in an all.
 
TaylorD;4323405; said:
Wow, this is getting a little heated...

They were just asking for a little input on a strain ... sure a lot of the information here is great and all... but way off the topic.

Sorry to but in an all.

off topic, yea,................ heated? nah. at least not me
 
svang55;4323386; said:
and i'm not gonna sit here and debate about a street fight where there's weapons and 10 on 1 scenarios are involved, because then none of what we are talking about matters
My point was that you never know who's armed and who's going to take it to that level. If you're talking about fighting outside of competition those variables have to be accounted for.
Not to mention that I used Ving Tsun to embarrass a BJJ guy that liked to run his mouth about how it the superior martial art. Shooting in only works if the other guy doesn't think to kick you in the face as soon as you lean forward.
 
Thalan;4323668; said:
Not to mention that I used Ving Tsun to embarrass a BJJ guy that liked to run his mouth about how it the superior martial art. Shooting in only works if the other guy doesn't think to kick you in the face as soon as you lean forward.

yea, i've seen plenty of times a bjj or wrestler or anybody shooting in for a take down and getting caught with a knee or kick to the head. usually it happens if they dont' set it up properly. if you shoot from far away without setting it up with strikes, someone skilled can time it and knock you out. but if you use foot work and striking you can usually get a takedown while the opponent is defending or countering. or at least get in close to clinch and work for a takedown if that's what you wished to do
 
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