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[hamato_yoshii]

How is bisping top 5 in his weight ?! lol maybe im partial cause I despise the guy. But honestly after getting hammered by Matt Hamill (Hometown decision) beat by Rashad and completely destroyed by Dan Henderson I don't see how that is possible. I honestly feel like the guy gets can fights and tons of air time to keep the UK fans watching. He even admitted after the loss to Rashad that his game plan was to "use a lot of movement and win the decision" On top of that he certainly is not an entertaining fighter.

Rashad is a 205er, and not to mention a former champ who barely beat him, he won the fight with Hamill, and yeah he got dropped by Hendo, but Dan is right at the top of that weight.

 

[SumoNinja]

How is bisping top 5 in his weight ?! lol maybe im partial cause I despise the guy. But honestly after getting hammered by Matt Hamill (Hometown decision) beat by Rashad and completely destroyed by Dan Henderson I don't see how that is possible. I honestly feel like the guy gets can fights and tons of air time to keep the UK fans watching. He even admitted after the loss to Rashad that his game plan was to "use a lot of movement and win the decision" On top of that he certainly is not an entertaining fighter.

Rashad is a 205er, and not to mention a former champ who barely beat him, he won the fight with Hamill, and yeah he got dropped by Hendo, but Dan is right at the top of that weight.

bisping and all the other tuf guys mentioned are not going to be champs. kenny, gray maynard, and all the others will never be champs as long as guys like BJ, GSP, Anderson Silva, Machida are who they need to take the belt from. a good heavy weight stands a better chance if you really look at it because lw, ww and mw will have other guys that the tuf guys can't get passed to get a title shot.

and in the case of diego, kenny, kos,............. when they had the chance to fight for the title, they lost decisively. kos actually never got a title shot, when gsp beat him matt hughes had the belt if i'm not mistaken. forrest got a lucky win and really shouldn't have gotten the nod. rashad beat an unworthy champ in forrest in my opinion to get the belt and when faced one of the true elites, he got knocked out. he almost got knocked out by thiago silva

the tuf guys will not be champs. the 3 guys that were champs were flukes. matt serra never deserved the title shot, the show got him a shot (not his accomplishments in the UFC itself). forrest shouldn't have won the belt, rashad beat an unworthy champ in forrest. we've yet to see a truely dominant champ arise from TUF. TUF really is just a reality show to gain popularity among b level guys and to get ratings. that's all it's good for

we can go on and on about roy and struve,........... roy is fat and an unlikely fighter, just like fedor is fat and pudgy. looks aren't everything in mma as we all know. fedor has a better chance of going to 205. i feel roy has yet to prove himself in the UFC but not in mma. he's already held a title. and with 7 knock out wins, 4 subs and 3 decisions, that's pretty impressive for a fat lazy uncommitted guy if you ask me. struve has losses which have all come via knock out or submission. they both are in the same boat really, they still need to prove themselves but i just see roy having a better chance that's all. for now and the near future anyways.

 

[krichardson]

I just had a chance to sit down and watch the fight between Frank Mir and Chiek Kongo.They had one of the best pre fight staredowns I can remember and the way that Mir kept his his eyes fixed on Kongo while he was swaying from side to side reminded me of the Mike Tyson -Peter Mcneely fight.Tyson kept his eyes on Mcneely during their pre fight the same way.

 

[hamato_yoshii]

bisping and all the other tuf guys mentioned are not going to be champs. kenny, gray maynard, and all the others will never be champs as long as guys like BJ, GSP, Anderson Silva, Machida are who they need to take the belt from. a good heavy weight stands a better chance if you really look at it because lw, ww and mw will have other guys that the tuf guys can't get passed to get a title shot.

and in the case of diego, kenny, kos,............. when they had the chance to fight for the title, they lost decisively. kos actually never got a title shot, when gsp beat him matt hughes had the belt if i'm not mistaken. forrest got a lucky win and really shouldn't have gotten the nod. rashad beat an unworthy champ in forrest in my opinion to get the belt and when faced one of the true elites, he got knocked out. he almost got knocked out by thiago silva

the tuf guys will not be champs. the 3 guys that were champs were flukes. matt serra never deserved the title shot, the show got him a shot (not his accomplishments in the UFC itself). forrest shouldn't have won the belt, rashad beat an unworthy champ in forrest. we've yet to see a truely dominant champ arise from TUF. TUF really is just a reality show to gain popularity among b level guys and to get ratings. that's all it's good for

we can go on and on about roy and struve,........... roy is fat and an unlikely fighter, just like fedor is fat and pudgy. looks aren't everything in mma as we all know. fedor has a better chance of going to 205. i feel roy has yet to prove himself in the UFC but not in mma. he's already held a title. and with 7 knock out wins, 4 subs and 3 decisions, that's pretty impressive for a fat lazy uncommitted guy if you ask me. struve has losses which have all come via knock out or submission. they both are in the same boat really, they still need to prove themselves but i just see roy having a better chance that's all. for now and the near future anyways.

Look, I agree that Serra was a fluke, but you can't just dismiss every other accomplishment by TUF guys. There have been some sucessful guys that have come from TUF.
I don't mean to say Roy has to have the belt or else this is a waste, I just want him to compete at the top, and I think that stats show that many TUF guys do compete there. You may not like how some fights went down, but you gotta look at the records, and what really did happen, not what you think should have.

Fedor is so much different then Roy, and to compare their physiques is just silly. I agree Fedor could have a good shot by looking at him to move down, but he has proven that he can compete at that level. Every legit guy Roy has fought, he got beat.

 

[hamato_yoshii]

I just had a chance to sit down and watch the fight between Frank Mir and Chiek Kongo.They had one of the best pre fight staredowns I can remember and the way that Mir kept his his eyes fixed on Kongo while he was swaying from side to side reminded me of the Mike Tyson -Peter Mcneely fight.Tyson kept his eyes on Mcneely during their pre fight the same way.

That was a great moment.

 

[SumoNinja]

Look, I agree that Serra was a fluke, but you can't just dismiss every other accomplishment by TUF guys. There have been some sucessful guys that have come from TUF.
I don't mean to say Roy has to have the belt or else this is a waste, I just want him to compete at the top, and I think that stats show that many TUF guys do compete there. You may not like how some fights went down, but you gotta look at the records, and what really did happen, not what you think should have.

Fedor is so much different then Roy, and to compare their physiques is just silly. I agree Fedor could have a good shot by looking at him to move down, but he has proven that he can compete at that level. Every legit guy Roy has fought, he got beat.

i actually would dismiss them. they will not become a champ in the current rosters. that doesn't mean they can't compete as condenders but that's as far as it will go. first, they will have to beat all the other contenders which getting pass them will not be easy. only kos, maynard, swick, diego, kenny, stevenson, forrest, bisping and rashad are actually the only tuf guys that has a good chance at contending for the titles right now (out of what? over 100 TUF contestants? less than 10%) and the few guys had the chances and failed miserably. but they will still be able to battle it out to get in line for the title, but if they pass that to get a title shot, they will fail.

but this is mma, you can always pull a matt serra,........... but very unlikely

i'm not arguing roy still needs to prove himself, i'm just saying, stefan struve is no better than roy as far as where they stand in the ranks. struve has only fought one top contender and got knocked out. his other losses were not even against guys who are considered legit

their fight will prove who is gonna move on, and it could go either way. my bet is on roy though, that's all i'm saying. neither guy is gonna "run over" the other. to say so would be silly. that's where this whole thing started

i only brought up fedor to prove a point. you're basically putting roy down because he's so fat,............ he should drop to 205 because he's smaller. you said he's apparently lazy, uncommitted or whatever. this is all based on his looks. so i brought up fedor who is one of the smallest hw in the world but considered by many to be #1 p4p. looks has nothing to do with it, that's my point,............. not comparing their skills or accomplishments at all. just the fact that looks dont' determine if someone is lazy or basically worthless and should drop weight

 

[hamato_yoshii]

i actually would dismiss them. they will not become a champ in the current rosters. that doesn't mean they can't compete as condenders but that's as far as it will go. first, they will have to beat all the other contenders which getting pass them will not be easy. only kos, maynard, swick, diego, kenny, stevenson, forrest, bisping and rashad are actually the only tuf guys that has a good chance at contending for the titles right now (out of what? over 100 TUF contestants? less than 10%) and the few guys had the chances and failed miserably. but they will still be able to battle it out to get in line for the title, but if they pass that to get a title shot, they will fail.

When I first mentioned the comparison with the other TUF guys, I was talkling about the TUF winners. Those are the guys I listed, so no, it's not 10%, because I am talking about the guys who have won TUF, they should have higher expectations/hopes.

but this is mma, you can always pull a matt serra,........... but very unlikely

i'm not arguing roy still needs to prove himself, i'm just saying, stefan struve is no better than roy as far as where they stand in the ranks. struve has only fought one top contender and got knocked out. his other losses were not even against guys who are considered legit

I agree that as far as the ranks go, they are similar. I'm not saying Struve is going to win because he is ranked higher or lower, I am saying that he is going to win because I think he is better then Roy.

their fight will prove who is gonna move on, and it could go either way. my bet is on roy though, that's all i'm saying. neither guy is gonna "run over" the other. to say so would be silly. that's where this whole thing started

i only brought up fedor to prove a point. you're basically putting roy down because he's so fat,............ he should drop to 205 because he's smaller. you said he's apparently lazy, uncommitted or whatever. this is all based on his looks. so i brought up fedor who is one of the smallest hw in the world but considered by many to be #1 p4p. looks has nothing to do with it, that's my point,............. not comparing their skills or accomplishments at all. just the fact that looks dont' determine if someone is lazy or basically worthless and should drop weight

I totally get the point about not going on looks, as someone who covers mma at the local level, I see first hand that physique does not show who will win a fight. I am simply taking Roy's physique, which is a gross misuse of that rule, and saying that it is indicative of who he is, that he is not totally committed. My issue is not with guys who aren't ripped, my issue is just that I think he gives up way too much by having that weight. If two guys are walking into the cage and they weigh the same, but one has a huge gut (30-40lbs?) that is going to equal into something else for the other guy, and likely it's not going to be a gut. It will likely be, muscle, or height, and in the heavyweight class, I just don't think that is a recipe for longterm success.

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[tcarswell]

Rashad is a 205er, and not to mention a former champ who barely beat him, he won the fight with Hamill, and yeah he got dropped by Hendo, but Dan is right at the top of that weight.

The win against Hamill was an absolute gift from god decision but yeah I suppose he won

Rashad has seriously improved since their fight. Not to mention Bisping was a 205er at that time as well....
I agree Hendo is at the top of that class.

But the question remains who has Bisping fought that was really a good fighter that he finished ? Dennis Kang win was a big accomplishment ill give him that but honestly who else ? Other TUF guys ?

 

[tcarswell]

bisping and all the other tuf guys mentioned are not going to be champs. kenny, gray maynard, and all the others will never be champs as long as guys like BJ, GSP, Anderson Silva, Machida are who they need to take the belt from. a good heavy weight stands a better chance if you really look at it because lw, ww and mw will have other guys that the tuf guys can't get passed to get a title shot.

and in the case of diego, kenny, kos,............. when they had the chance to fight for the title, they lost decisively. kos actually never got a title shot, when gsp beat him matt hughes had the belt if i'm not mistaken. forrest got a lucky win and really shouldn't have gotten the nod. rashad beat an unworthy champ in forrest in my opinion to get the belt and when faced one of the true elites, he got knocked out. he almost got knocked out by thiago silva

the tuf guys will not be champs. the 3 guys that were champs were flukes. matt serra never deserved the title shot, the show got him a shot (not his accomplishments in the UFC itself). forrest shouldn't have won the belt, rashad beat an unworthy champ in forrest. we've yet to see a truely dominant champ arise from TUF. TUF really is just a reality show to gain popularity among b level guys and to get ratings. that's all it's good for

we can go on and on about roy and struve,........... roy is fat and an unlikely fighter, just like fedor is fat and pudgy. looks aren't everything in mma as we all know. fedor has a better chance of going to 205. i feel roy has yet to prove himself in the UFC but not in mma. he's already held a title. and with 7 knock out wins, 4 subs and 3 decisions, that's pretty impressive for a fat lazy uncommitted guy if you ask me. struve has losses which have all come via knock out or submission. they both are in the same boat really, they still need to prove themselves but i just see roy having a better chance that's all. for now and the near future anyways.

Well said I agree 100%

 

[SumoNinja]

The win against Hamill was an absolute gift from god decision but yeah I suppose he won

Rashad has seriously improved since their fight. Not to mention Bisping was a 205er at that time as well....
I agree Hendo is at the top of that class.

But the question remains who has Bisping fought that was really a good fighter that he finished ? Dennis Kang win was a big accomplishment ill give him that but honestly who else ? Other TUF guys ?

this is what i'm saying,......... bisping, like a lot of others, can compete near the top but when faced with truly top competition they always prove they can't hang with the absolute elite fighters. Kang was never really considered a top competitor himself and on a down slope in his career. i feel Kang is at the end of his career and lucky for bisping he didn't meet Kang at his peak