My new baby flowerhorn

[HybridFinatic]

He can say whatever the hell he wants. I frankly don’t care lol. I just said I don’t want him here cause I don’t really like him. He gives the same advise and is a broken record. And I just don’t care period. And if F Fishflyer started it like you claimed, why not be the bigger man and stop. Well you sure didn’t lol. So the argument of “he started it” is too childish. Come up with something better. I mean dude how old are you? 12? I haven’t heard “they started it” since I was 8 lol. And knock that chip off your shoulder.

Most of these 11 pages our jwitty’s bromance with a 60 year old so since he clearly is not open to any advice let’s leave him to that. Though in the future you should keep that to PM so if we feel the need to go out of are way and “troll” you we won’t be able too.

 

[HybridFinatic]

And yes when you are overfeeding your fish I will give the same advice to the next guy overfeeding his fish.

 

[islandguy11]

He can say whatever the hell he wants. I frankly don’t care lol. I just said I don’t want him here cause I don’t really like him. He gives the same advise and is a broken record. And I just don’t care period. And if F Fishflyer started it like you claimed, why not be the bigger man and stop. Well you sure didn’t lol. So the argument of “he started it” is too childish. Come up with something better. I mean dude how old are you? 12? I haven’t heard “they started it” since I was 8 lol. And knock that chip off your shoulder.

Nope I'm 11, that's why my name is islandguy11.... But telling people to get out of 'your' little sandbox because you don't like what or how they said it, well that's like kindergarten level man, so I don't feel overly bad. And it's usually people with closed minds like yours that have the chips on their shoulders, so that's rich you telling me to get rid of a non-existent chip on my shoulder. If I had a chip on my shoulder I would give you my real honest opinion and tell you that your Flowerhorn is actually well and truly an inferior example of what's out on the market now, there's absolutely nothing special or outstanding about him/her, it'll be lucky to have a medium sized hump at best, and that I wouldn't pay even $5 for it -- but luckily I really don't have a chip on my shoulder so I wouldn't say that.

 

[jwitty]

Most of these 11 pages our jwitty’s bromance with a 60 year old so since he clearly is not open to any advice let’s leave him to that. Though in the future you should keep that to PM so if we feel the need to go out of are way and “troll” you we won’t be able too.

Oh you’re still here?

 

[jwitty]

Nope I'm 11, that's why my name is islandguy11.... But telling people to get out of 'your' little sandbox because you don't like what or how they said it, well that's like kindergarten level man, so I don't feel overly bad. And it's usually people with closed minds like yours that have the chips on their shoulders, so that's rich you telling me to get rid of a non-existent chip on my shoulder. If I had a chip on my shoulder I would give you my real honest opinion and tell you that your Flowerhorn is actually well and truly an inferior example of what's out on the market now, there's absolutely nothing special or outstanding about him, it'll be lucky to have a medium sized hump at best, and that I wouldn't pay even $5 for it -- but luckily I really don't have a chip on my shoulder so I wouldn't say that.

Wait oh really I wanted a 50-500 dollar flowerhorn that is extremely nice looking that will die in 15 years or less? Ya I’m a little more mindful of my money. And where did I ever say “I hope this little guy has a kok that’s the size of a watermelon and colors brighter than a freaking rainbow”. I frankly don’t care how he turns out, especially for my first flowerhorn. Why would I? I’m never gonna spend 100 bucks on a fish I never had before. That would just be unintelligent. But thank you for your opinion on him. I really care about what you say and take it to heart. When I get my next flowerhorn I’ll be sure to spend hours upon hours surfing the web and looking for local breeders to find a show stopping flowerhorn. And when I do, I’ll be sure to show you him. Just so I can have your opinion on him because I do so deeply care about what you have to say.

 

[Fishflyer]

I have been retired for several yrs from the trade, but I was once a distributor (in Canada) for New Life Spectrum.
I still use their products. Not that there aren't other quality brands and formulas, but Tetra & Wardley have pretty much stayed the same with regards to their overall ingredients. The issue with terrestrial based plant matter is the inclusion of anti-nutritional matter. This can be largely reduced by processing temps, but still, IMO it is far more ideal to feed finfish, aquatic based plant matter. As an example, this is an NLS "veggie" based formula.

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I actually feed that formula a few times a week to all of my fish, no matter their diet category that an ichthyologist has placed them in. I think that it's fine to feed different foods, one just needs to be a little more careful with designer fish such as flowerhorn. Watch the crude protein levels, and crude fat, and while plant matter is good for a FH, I would limit the terrestrial based plant matter, such as soybeans, corn, and even peas - especially if in a raw state.

Feeding raw peas is old school, just like me, but over the years science has proven that terrestrial based plant matter is generally only used in fish feed formulas due to cost saving and convenience. There is no argument, probably hundreds of papers on this subject for anyone willing to do the research.

I'm not saying that a few peas here and there are going to be harmful to anyone's fish, only that today there are far better alternatives.
Peas contain phytic acid, tannins, and trypsin inhibitors, which are not something that fish benefit from and which can potentially cause negative health issues when fed in excess.

IMO aquatic based plant matter always trumps terrestrial based plant matter. I posted about this in the past discussion linked to below.

https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/fruit-veg-for-fish.690291/

Thank you very much for responding, your time, that information, and will pass it on to my friends. I am old school also, but always considered you as one of the sages at MFK will check for New Life Spectrum at my lfs. It reads broad spectrum as far as nutrious plant variety.

Do you even recommend against soaking food for very juvenile Flowerhorns. As a temporary means of familiarity training and eating from the palm of the hand?

HybridFinatic and clearly you just have to be a troll to people cause you got nothing to do with your time

Look he asked to leave politely He has always been a polite decent person to me. I would appreciate you not insulting my friend.

 

[HybridFinatic]

Thank you very much for responding, your time, that information, and will pass it on to my friends. I am old school also, but always considered you as one of the sages at MFK will check for New Life Spectrum at my lfs. It reads broad spectrum as far as nutrious plant variety.

Do you even recommend against soaking food for very juvenile Flowerhorns. As a temporary means of familiarity training and eating from the palm of the hand?

Look he asked to leave politely He has always been a polite decent person to me. I would appreciate you not insulting my friend.

No I will never leave

 

[jwitty]

F Fishflyer i wouldn’t even bother with that moron. He’s just a little kid being a troll cause he has nothing to do with his worthless time. I’ll probably make a new post when I make an update on my flowerhorn next weekend. Just to be cleaner and simpler than this thread that got out of hand 3 pages ago lol

 

[jwitty]

Most of these 11 pages our jwitty’s BROMANCE with a 60 year old so since he clearly is not open to any advice let’s leave him to that.

I’d just like to add you’re the one saying I have a bromance yet you’re the one that keeps sticking around here, claiming that you won’t leave and want to stay on my thread. Sounds like you have some bromance with me bud lol. Hey just get on over to that tender page of yours and put in your bio that you’re into guys only. (That is if it’s not there already) Maybe you’ll find one there. I’m not interested lol.

 

[HybridFinatic]

I’d just like to add you’re the one saying I have a bromance yet you’re the one that keeps sticking around here, claiming that you won’t leave and want to stay on my thread. Sounds like you have some bromance with me bud lol. Hey just get on over to that tender page of yours and put in your bio that you’re into guys only. (That is if it’s not there already) Maybe you’ll find one there. I’m not interested lol.

Bro give it a rest. I’m here for the same reason as everyone else. That is a good idea to make a new thread for your flowerhorn.