My new baby flowerhorn

[islandguy11]

You want an answer? Cause I respect RD and I don’t respect you. Answer your question or no?

Lol, oh it certainly does, and without doubt also shows what a hypocritical, superficial 2-faced loser you are. You've also demonstrated PERFECTLY what Snowflakes are about: only listening to the views they want to, not open to those on the other side or even listening to what they have to say, just because they don't personally like them or disagree with their agenda. Problems never get solved that way, as we can see in the US now.

Takes a real person to admit they were wrong, I can see you simply can't do it, good luck going through life with that kind of attitude, it's going to get you far lol.

 

[jwitty]

Lol, oh it certainly does, and without doubt also shows what a hypocritical, 2-faced loser you are. Takes a real person to admit they were wrong, I can see you simply can't do it.

Not sure what your talking about bud. I’ve never seen myself as two-faced. But to each their own. I don’t care what you say either. And like you were saying earlier about calling people “petty names” I like how you’re doing it now. Two-faced...pot calling the kettle black.....

 

[jwitty]

Anyway I think that’s enough on this and I hope you agree. Ill start a new thread when I make an update on my flowerhorn. If you’d like to comment on it be my guest, I’d prefer you’d keep it civil so another war doesn’t happen. I’ll let you decide though. I’ll let you have the last say if you’d like. Have a good one

 

[islandguy11]

Not sure what your talking about bud. I’ve never seen myself as two-faced. But to each their own. I don’t care what you say either. And like you were saying earlier about calling people “petty names” I like how you’re doing it now. Two-faced...pot calling the kettle black.....

'Hypocritical' and '2 faced' aren't petty names -- like 'moron' you called Hybridfinatic -- they're carefully thought out adjectives that perfectly described your behavior.

Anyway I think that’s enough on this and I hope you agree. Ill start a new thread when I make an update on my flowerhorn. If you’d like to comment on it be my guest, I’d prefer you’d keep it civil so another war doesn’t happen. I’ll let you decide though. I’ll let you have the last say if you’d like. Have a good one

Rest assured buddy I won't be commenting on any of your new threads (once bitten, twice shy), unless you or another tags me or calls me out. But you are welcome on any of my threads, and I promise I won't jump all over you for suggesting there are better ways for me to do something, in fact I would personally appreciate it. I have never once jumped anyone posting on any thread I created who was trying to help, even if I didn't 100% agree with them. And unlike some, I never will.

 

[FINWIN]

Each to his/her own of course, but I personally wouldn't recommend feeding terrestrial-based vegetables/plants to a Flowerhorn (or really any other Cichlids for that matter). Your FH should be able to get all of those nutrients and more simply by feeding it a variety of quality pellets (esp. those high in spirulina).

Also regarding pre-soaking pellets, I personally would only do this if really necessary, or for a specific reason (e.g. adding medication or epsom salt) -- and then only using a small drop or two onto each pellet (e.g. via a syringe or pipette). If you soak pellets in too much water or for too long, you're going to leach out important vitamins/nutrients from the pellets, defeating one of the main reasons for feeding pellets.

I've read some of these vegetation theories before, however

Humans eat kelp and fish

If the nutrition can be assimilated and results in positive health and growth I don't see the relevance of location. Just my take on it.

I find that by soaking pellets digestive compromised fish have few digestion issues. And more nutrient dense pellets can be consumed by fish with smaller mouths this way. Repashy is often recommended for fancy goldies for this reason. I usually feed juvies several small meals a day, a sort of 'continuous nutrition' method. With their energy they burn it off and don't keep big bellies. As they grow and pellet size increases I reduce meals as they grow.

For example I have three blood parrots. One has an average size mouth, one a mid size mouth, the other a large mouth. The soaked pellets allow the parrot with the smallest mouth to ingest pellets he would be unable to if they were dry. So even with a small mouth the first parrot can manage a 3.5 - 4mm soaked pellet. More versatiliy, more pellets ingested, more nutrition. All my fish are thick, muscular and full of energy. Even my juvie Severum is thickening up nicely and I can't wait to see him as a full adult. I'm always looking for ways to improve methods and theories of fishkeeping. We can all learn from each other here, nobody has all the answers and new methods can disprove 'conventional wisdom.'

The little FH looks great, has the stuff to be a striking adult.

 

[RD.]

I've read some of these vegetation theories before,

Not a theory, terrestrial based plant matter contains anti-nutritional matter, and is why their use in aquaculture has always been limited. 100+ years of science, and billions of dollars in research and peer reviewed studies. A bit more than just a theory.

I find that by soaking pellets digestive compromised fish have few digestion issues. And more nutrient dense pellets can be consumed by fish with smaller mouths this way

Nutrient dense pellets does not equate to hard pellets, it is used to describe pellets that are high in nutritional matter, and low in non nutrients. Water is a non nutrient. Fish with smaller mouths should be fed pellets that are small in diameter, and suited to their mouth size.

Repashy is often recommended for fancy goldies for this reason.

I have kept and raised fancy goldfish, all fed nutrient dense pellets, with no issues. Gel based foods have been around for decades, Repashy didn't invent the concept. Again, water is a non nutrient, so if one feeds those kinds of foods they best feed off & on all day, or the fish will eventually become malnourished.

There is nothing new to pre-soaking pellets, people have been doing it for longer than I have been in the hobby, since late 1960's off and on. The main issue with pre-soaking pellets, is a large percentage of the water soluble vitamins can leach out. Another reason why I never recommend flake food, by their design they leach vitamins out at a very high rate, which begins the second they hit the water.

It's not that one can't presoak pellets, clearly they can, but typically there isn't a reason that one would need to pre-soak pellets fed to a flowerhorn, something that I have a bit of experience in as well.

 

[RD.]

And for anyone interested further, Allen Repashy and I discuss the merits of his watered down commercial formulas, in the past discussion that took place shortly after his foods were released 7 yrs ago.

Repashy Superfood (for cichlids)?

I came across this product on Ted Judy's YouTube channel. I've always found his videos extremely informative and he is an excellent hobbyist but i can't say I've ever seen him endorse a product like this before. Repashy is a gelatin based food which comes in powder form. As you will see in Ted's...

www.monsterfishkeepers.com

 

[FINWIN]

Not a theory, terrestrial based plant matter contains anti-nutritional matter, and is why their use in aquaculture has always been limited. 100+ years of science, and billions of dollars in research and peer reviewed studies. A bit more than just a theory.

I suppose I misspoke on the theory part. Still not sure I agree since nutrition can be sourced all kinds of ways, but I'm not an expert. I have heard of fillers from dairy products though. And there's the infamous corn starch fillers.




Nutrient dense pellets does not equate to hard pellets, it is used to describe pellets that are high in nutritional matter, and low in non nutrients. Water is a non nutrient. Fish with smaller mouths should be fed pellets that are small in diameter, and suited to their mouth size.

I was referring to the amount of pellets by volume only, thinking that any reduction in nutrition caused by soaking would be made up in amount. I feed unsoaked smaller pellets and soaked larger ones in combination, depending on the fish. Only two of my fish seem to like 'crunching' pellets.


I have kept and raised fancy goldfish, all fed nutrient dense pellets, with no issues. Gel based foods have been around for decades, Repashy didn't invent the concept. Again, water is a non nutrient, so if one feeds those kinds of foods they best feed off & on all day, or the fish will eventually become malnourished.

There is nothing new to pre-soaking pellets, people have been doing it for longer than I have been in the hobby, since late 1960's off and on. The main issue with pre-soaking pellets, is a large percentage of the water soluble vitamins can leach out. Another reason why I never recommend flake food, by their design they leach vitamins out at a very high rate, which begins the second they hit the water.

I realize gel food is old news, just thought of repashy first. A lot of people have their own recipes out there, some are pretty wild.

It's not that one can't presoak pellets, clearly they can, but typically there isn't a reason that one would need to pre-soak pellets fed to a flowerhorn, something that I have a bit of experience in as well.

I must admit I haven't heard of FHs getting them soaked but someone out there probably does.

I gotta get my bowl of kelp though!! With sea salt, natch...

 

[Fishflyer]

With all due respect, my friend's Flowerhorn minnow had not eaten in a number of days was obviously ill. Was on it's side at times He asked and I offered help. I suggested he check the food the shop he got the fish from and match and soften the food. From what I have read, some cichlid hybrids including Flowerhorns can have sensitive digestions while others can be very strong. Younger minnows and fry, especially I'll can be even more sensitive. He followed my suggestions and the his fish immediately began eating and improved. I was not trying to start a war. I was helping a friend and what he considers his child. " Hey Mother, it's time to feed the baby some rocks. " . I am sorry Fin I was in my studio doing a calligraphy ad for a friend of mine, I did not hear the notification, or I surely would have been here to offer you support. Not that you need any. You spoke very eloquently made valid. Points I especially liked your last articulate point, something about kelp. Hahaha, I prefer the Seaweed stick Wafers. Seriously, the ones meant for humans---tasty.

 

[Fishflyer]

As to vegetation, I read certain terrestrial vegetation is a fresh occasional treat. Mostly I give my vegetation from my aquatic gardens, as I call my aquariums, to my cichlids. Aquatic vegetation. They seem to take great enjoyment from taking apart the plants and Marimo balls. Since our fish are confined to large glass boxes I take pains in making their homes as comfortable as possible which includes the occasional diversion of tearing apart a plant. I have had my fish for years. They are healthy and appear very happy. So I fail to see the harm. And that includes the occasional finely chopped cooked brocolli. With butter of course. . As to soaking. One manufacturer I spoke with said the nutrients are suffused throughout their pellets and soaking DOES NOT compromise the nutrional value. I will continue to speak to other manufacturers.

Irregardless I have little choice in the matter. Some of my fish prefer their food soft and some like it crunchy. Individuals within the same species having different preferences. Sounds like another species I know. I felt terrible,like I did something awful and wrong by trying to help my friend and his fish. That fish seemed to recover rapidly after my friend implemented my suggestions. And according to other professional experts I did exactly the right thing. I am not going to force those of my fish to eat hard pellets and visa versa.
>>>I really like a wisdom FINWIN told me. I let my fish dictate the direction my tanks g(r)o. I added after all it's their homes.

So if indeed the vitamins are leeching out into the tank there isn't too much I can do about it. Not to take too fine a point but let's not forget that the food has nutritional value in his base ingredients ie. shrimp, krill, spirulina. I also occasionally give my fish Daphne larvae too, along with a variety of commercial foods. If a minute amount of vitamins actually are leeching out, there isn't too much I can do about it, my fish are hardly suffering and are well fed. Really this hurricane that has happened in teapot. because I was helping a friend.