It's those fenes that are line bred. The piebalds (common name of sp. Catemaco) are natural so far as I know.
My newest acquistion: sp. 'Conkeli'
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flowerpower;3817177; said:
Flower, sp. Catemaco and piebald fenes are the same fish. The question is whether it (they) are fenestratus or not. That's what the DNA addresses.
You are lumping in that line bred "marbled" fish from the link someone posted. That is an artificial fish.
From a note I sent someone else explaining this fish has been around for years. Please note, these fish come from ONE lake (Catemaco), and the differences in the entries below show just how confusing it can get when a fish isn't OFFICIALLY DESCRIBED. Until that occurs, no matter what we choose to call it, the fish is a fenestratus or a sibling species of fenestratus.
"The easiest thing to do would be to call Don or get Don's old book. They're covered in there. Page 141 and 142. Five photos. Don called them Cichlasoma (T) sp. "Conkel" Lago Catemaco Mexico. The book was copyrighted in 1993.
Also, the Aqualog (Edition Cichlids III) has two photos on supplement number 2, page 125. They're listed there as Vieja fenestratus, pink variety; Mexico, Lake Catemaco. Also, pink and black variety.
Page 201 of the German book American Cichlids II (Staeke - Linke) says under its fenestratus heading "this species is polychromatic as, according to our observations, there are almost uniformly reddish specimens in Lake Catemaco. However, these are very rare." Copyright 1985."
This is ONE fish no matter what common names people throw around. That ONE fish has been in the hobby for decades. It's not a difficult concept. I can't conceive that someone can't grasp it. Perhaps some are simply trying to agitate others by continually muddying the waters.
I was just admiring the sp. "Catemaco" in the shop this afternoon, the breeders were pretty much pure white and the offspring that vary in sizes from 1" to almost 3" are already starting to drop colors in blotches, super cool fish! If I remember, I will try to shoot some for you to compare.
Ray
Ray
Ruck, I like yours best. Im not big on paratheraps at all, but those things look nice. Theyre the only ones that look like a natural occurrence.
Dont get personal stay on the fish subject pls. I like both have their points to prove.
To me, they are so the same, makes most of us confused. So I dont care if dna is different.. dna matching or collecting isnt my hobby. If the fishes show different traits then I would be interested in both. And non is better than the other. They each have their own.. But remember. The first that came first into the hobby is the original fish. Just which name or dna you like better. Fishes look the same right?
But you know what? I feel that the two names belong to one fish. It is that a like in looks..
Buddha, youre fishes are the best looking bro. They are really nice and so is Ruckfules.
To me, they are so the same, makes most of us confused. So I dont care if dna is different.. dna matching or collecting isnt my hobby. If the fishes show different traits then I would be interested in both. And non is better than the other. They each have their own.. But remember. The first that came first into the hobby is the original fish. Just which name or dna you like better. Fishes look the same right?
But you know what? I feel that the two names belong to one fish. It is that a like in looks..
Buddha, youre fishes are the best looking bro. They are really nice and so is Ruckfules.
DCT lists and sells pibald fenestratus and P sp Catemaco as different fish. Like TheFishJunkie posted earlier he has 30 or so of this animal. Two week a pair of my piebald fenestratus spawned I offered anyone who wanted the fry to get the batch for $30 when they became free swimming as I had no room for grow outs, they were eventually eaten. The pair of F0 sp Catemaco that John has looks different from the piebalds and we discussed it and compared them when he picked them up. John even took pics of the piebald and may post them later. After observing the Catemaco I thought it was a different fish I shot a video of my piebalds an hour ago after a water change another pair is getting ready to spawn, I'll post it soon. The group I have look very similar to Gani's each specimen has different patterns. I'm no expert I've only had 1 pair of "Catemaco" and have seen pics of about 6-8 wild adults. A week ago no one heard of them today "Catemaco" are on lists nation wide go figure. Lupes I hope we can keep this thread open this is the discussion that should have taken place from the beginning. I hope John will post some pics of his F0 pair here for comparison as well.
