My newest acquistion: sp. 'Conkeli'

cchhcc · Jan 23, 2010

ira;3817708; said:
DCT lists and sells pibald fenestratus and P sp Catemaco as different fish. Like TheFishJunkie posted earlier he has 30 or so of this animal. Two week a pair of my piebald fenestratus spawned I offered anyone who wanted the fry to get the batch for $30 when they became free swimming as I had no room for grow outs, they were eventually eaten. The pair of F0 sp Catemaco that John has looks different from the piebalds and we discussed it and compared them when he picked them up. John even took pics of the piebald and may post them later. After observing the Catemaco I thought it was a different fish I shot a video of my piebalds an hour ago after a water change another pair is getting ready to spawn, I'll post it soon. The group I have look very similar to Gani's each specimen has different patterns. I'm no expert I've only had 1 pair of "Catemaco" and have seen pics of about 6-8 wild adults. A week ago no one heard of them today "Catemaco" are on lists nation wide go figure. Lupes I hope we can keep this thread open this is the discussion that should have taken place from the beginning. I hope John will post some pics of his F0 pair here for comparison as well.

Different races possibly, different species I doubt. Cool nonetheless.

Keep in mind that coloration and body shape have nothing to do with a species designation. There are dozens of cichlid species that come in a variety of colors and shapes. Riverine vs. lacustrine is a simple example. No ichythologist uses appearance as a species determiner.

Also, one can be a "splitter" or a "lumper" as it comes to species designation. Even if one researcher describes it as a new species, that doesn't mean it becomes the consensus opinion.

Also, from an evolutionary perspective, it would be strange to find two distinctly different species filling the very same ecological niche in the only lake in the world in which they are native.

The very definition of "species" can be questioned itself. It is on its own an artificial designation.

caribemob · Jan 23, 2010

ira;3817708; said:
DCT lists and sells pibald fenestratus and P sp Catemaco as different fish. Like TheFishJunkie posted earlier he has 30 or so of this animal. Two week a pair of my piebald fenestratus spawned I offered anyone who wanted the fry to get the batch for $30 when they became free swimming as I had no room for grow outs, they were eventually eaten. The pair of F0 sp Catemaco that John has looks different from the piebalds and we discussed it and compared them when he picked them up. John even took pics of the piebald and may post them later. After observing the Catemaco I thought it was a different fish I shot a video of my piebalds an hour ago after a water change another pair is getting ready to spawn, I'll post it soon. The group I have look very similar to Gani's each specimen has different patterns. I'm no expert I've only had 1 pair of "Catemaco" and have seen pics of about 6-8 wild adults. A week ago no one heard of them today "Catemaco" are on lists nation wide go figure. Lupes I hope we can keep this thread open this is the discussion that should have taken place from the beginning. I hope John will post some pics of his F0 pair here for comparison as well.

john's fish and cc's fish do look different in my opinion , and yes I know how amph. citrellnelus have different colors but same fish. I just think they look a little different. hopefully we will find out soon

cchhcc · Jan 23, 2010

Again, looks are in the eye of the beholder, and even then they don't mean anything on a species level.

With respect to the finding out soon part, what should come first: the marketing of the new species or the official designation of the new species?

caribemob · Jan 23, 2010

cchhcc;3817773; said:
Again, looks are in the eye of the beholder, and even then they don't mean anything on a species level.

i know just like amph. and alot of other species, however there a fact , this is our opinion at the momment

cchhcc · Jan 23, 2010

caribemob;3817786; said:
i know just like amph. and alot of other species, however there a fact , this is our opinion at the momment

Understood.

the animal guy · Jan 23, 2010

Best is to see a side by side pictures of both same size adults. Because what if one of them grows larger than the other or bulkier or longer or whatever as they reach their maximum size?

So right now, to be able to know the differences is to grab each freakin fish and do a dna test on it?

caribemob · Jan 23, 2010

the animal guy;3817808; said:
Best is to see a side by side pictures of both same size adults. Because what if one of them grows larger than the other or bulkier or longer or whatever as they reach their maximum size?

So right now, to be able to know the differences is to grab each freakin fish and do a dna test on it?

TRue That

cchhcc · Jan 23, 2010

the animal guy;3817808; said:
Best is to see a side by side pictures of both same size adults. Because what if one of them grows larger than the other or bulkier or longer or whatever as they reach their maximum size?

Using that method, every dovii on this site is a different species! :naughty:

Ruck Fules · Jan 23, 2010

VRWC;3817495; said:
Ruck, I like yours best. Im not big on paratheraps at all, but those things look nice. Theyre the only ones that look like a natural occurrence.

Mine came from Mr. Conkel back in 2007.

ira · Jan 23, 2010

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