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When I recently got my FATF I floated the bag and popped a few holes in it and after 40 minutes I let him in. He is doing great, knock on wood! I had previosuly tried to acclimate a VATF in a bucket and that did not work in my or its favor.
 
DB junkie said:
"is the filter working" water tests are only going to answer one thing, and if you've had fish living in it for a year, then I'm gonna venture to guess the answer is yes, the filter is working, however I always tend to doubt 0 Nitrate readings, but that's irrelevant.

Ever heard of TDS shock? IF you read up on PH shock it usually spills into TDS shock. Long story short you can have 2 different water sources that both test the same when you do the typical Ammo, Nitrite, Nitrate, even PH tests, but yet test wayyyyy different in PPM (TDS) or Microsiemens (conductivity). IF you have a probe then you know why the fish died. IF you don't, you call it a fluke, unexplainable death, or just bad luck, then the insanity starts...... Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Most people here don't seem to acknowledge that testing water parameters involves more then "is the filter working" tests. My personal experience is regretting not buying conductivity and PH probes years ago. Measuring conductivity can really change how a person views "clean" water. IF you're really going to keep expensive monsters for a long time, I'd highly recommend doing a little research into some good testing equipment, cause I speak from experience when I say this----- You can feel really stupid when you spend LOTS of money on fish year after year when you really have no clue about the water you're keeping them in.

Don't feel bad if you don't want to acknowledge the fact that getting a good idea on water chemistry may costs hundreds of dollars, don't worry.... The masses believe that a fish will adapt to your water no matter how far from their natural habitat it is, so you can just assume everything is fine. It's cheaper and funner this way. After all it is just a "hobby".......
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Sorry DB didnt see this, this was already suggested to me by an owner of an LFS i talked to about it, i am looking into it and getting the equipment for it. Nitrate was so low it didnt even read 10, I doubt it was 0 but it was less then ten. Like i had said, i had been keeping the tank pristine for this guys getting here. Im not calling it a fluke, not calling it bad luck i know i messed up and didnt acclimate correctly. Ill be working for an aquarium shop soon so i need to gather all the info i can as i have been, thanks for the input.
 
I just don't understand the whole used all the oxygen bit... Don't understand it, and don't believe it. I know I'm a newb to ATF, but not to fish in general, and knowing what I know I'm having a really tough time even trying to wrap my mind around this.

The conductivity probe I use wasn't that bad..... Under $150. Made by American Marine. Recommended to me by a very knowledgeable ray guru.
 
Its not just the oxygen, since the co2 buildup in the bag was high, when I opened the bag and it was exposed to fresh O2 then the ammonia in the water also became "unlocked" because the high Co2 levels were keeping the ammonia from being harmful. I suspect if the fish hadn't been shipped and I picked it up at an LFS it would have been fine.

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BuffaloPolypteridae said:
Its not just the oxygen, since the co2 buildup in the bag was high, when I opened the bag and it was exposed to fresh O2 then the ammonia in the water also became "unlocked" because the high Co2 levels were keeping the ammonia from being harmful. I suspect if the fish hadn't been shipped and I picked it up at an LFS it would have been fine.

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But he made it into the tank for 4 hours.,... oxygen deprevation should be remedied by putting the fish in an oxygen rich tank. I bucket dripped my taft and had no problems, and have had many fished shipped and used the same method. Seems a bit weird to me to.
 
So CO2 drops the PH enough for the Amonia to become un harmful? Then when the bag's opened the CO2 is replaced with O2, PH begins to rise and the non toxic ammonia becomes toxic?

I might buy it IF the fish died right away, or it was a huge fish in a little bag, but the whole 4 hours in your tank thing seems like a wrench in the theory.

BUT isn't there stuff added to the bag when shipped to prevent this kind of stuff? Like bag buddies?

Just seems a little far fetched for such a small fish, and such an experienced shipper.....
 
DB junkie said:
So CO2 drops the PH enough for the Amonia to become un harmful? Then when the bag's opened the CO2 is replaced with O2, PH begins to rise and the non toxic ammonia becomes toxic?

I might buy it IF the fish died right away, or it was a huge fish in a little bag, but the whole 4 hours in your tank thing seems like a wrench in the theory.

BUT isn't there stuff added to the bag when shipped to prevent this kind of stuff? Like bag buddies?

Just seems a little far fetched for such a small fish, and such an experienced shipper.....
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Yes. I honestly dont care if you for some reason fail to realize how fragile atf are, that was the reason given to me by experienced ATF keepers and thats the reason im going with unless my conductivity tests in the ludicrous range. It was a shipped fish, any stuff put in the bag was donezo by the time it got in my hands. I know i messed up the acclimation, thats what killed it. Whether you believe it or not, i dont think anyone cares
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You're right, I guess I don't realize how fragile ATF are. I keep them just like all the other fish I have here.

Just trying to help out, but I guess it's all irrelevant since you have the answers you're happy with.....
 
DB junkie said:
You're right, I guess I don't realize how fragile ATF are. I keep them just like all the other fish I have here.

Just trying to help out, but I guess it's all irrelevant since you have the answers you're happy with.....
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It just seems to me your your trying to say something w/o saying it. Why do you think it died then? Don't be cryptic haha

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BuffaloPolypteridae said:
Yes. I honestly dont care if you for some reason fail to realize how fragile atf are, that was the reason given to me by experienced ATF keepers and thats the reason im going with unless my conductivity tests in the ludicrous range. It was a shipped fish, any stuff put in the bag was donezo by the time it got in my hands. I know i messed up the acclimation, thats what killed it. Whether you believe it or not, i dont think anyone cares
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Dude,

Just because certain people do not post about there ATFs and experience does not mean they are not as experienced as the people you are listening to. For instance I know where chix has gotten some of his ATF's and i have seen when they come in straight from africa (longer trip then from cali) and know the vendor drip acclimates them like you or I would. yea Atfs are very easily stressed from shipping and that very well could be the reason he died, but the point of the forum is to share info experience and ideas. Your reaction to DB was uncalled for.
 
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